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[TW]Fox;12868975 said:
I can't remember the last time I saw or spoke to somebody enjoying being a smoker. They all complain about it and wish they could give up :confused:

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I enjoy having a cigarette and you'll find a few cigar smokers on this forum, me included who enjoy that. However, I know I should quit for health reasons.

I enjoy Krispy Kreme donuts and would happily eat 20 a day, but I shouldn't for health reasons and so now I don't eat them at all.

Just because I want to quit something doesn't mean i don't enjoy it.
 
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[TW]Fox;12868975 said:
I can't remember the last time I saw or spoke to somebody enjoying being a smoker. They all complain about it and wish they could give up :confused:

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Actually I must say I did used to enjoy smoking. I originally started after giving up the other kind of cigarettes when I was younger and I replaced them with ciggies. I gave up when it was clear it was becoming detrimental to my health and the negatives in that respect were outweighing the benefits. Not even had or wanted a single puff since I stopped 2 years ago nearly now.
 
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lol I love that rationalisation! When I comment on people's smoking that [or similar] is always a lovely reply, sadly I feel kinda smug when I think of them being 35 with chidlren, dying from lung cancer and not getting to see them grow up, they'll regret it then... Morons.
 
Delvis said:
yeah I've never really understood them..."I know, I'll stop smoking BUT, I'm still going to put the nicotine into me!".
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because the body is more able to adapt to slow changes, get some hot water (ie as hot as you can put your hand in with no damage etc) jab your hand in at once, and it ****ing hurts for a while till you adjust. Put your hand in some warm water and slowly heat it to the same and it doesn't hurt.

Lets your body get slowly used to the lower levels and then adapt, so the withdrawal is in much smaller more manageable steps (ie you avoid the instinct to pull your hand out the hot water).

Takes longer, but if you lack the ability to go cold turkey it's much better and you're more likely to get to the end. Especially as you get more little "goals" as if you slip with cold turkey you're back to the start which is more damaging to your mind set.
 
[TW]Fox;12868975 said:
I can't remember the last time I saw or spoke to somebody enjoying being a smoker. They all complain about it and wish they could give up :confused:

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really? only people who talk like that I've noticed are those who have tried quitting/are trying, or those talking to non smokers as saying "yeah actually I like it" always results in the "omg but its filthy, you;re filthy" response,or something similar, much easier to just say "oh yes i don;t like it but it;s an addiction" that way they're a victim and so dodge blame.
 
Tefal said:
because the body is more able to adapt to slow changes, get some hot water (ie as hot as you can put your hand in with no damage etc) jab your hand in at once, and it ****ing hurts for a while till you adjust. Put your hand in some warm water and slowly heat it to the same and it doesn't hurt.

Lets your body get slowly used to the lower levels and then adapt, so the withdrawal is in much smaller more manageable steps (ie you avoid the instinct to pull your hand out the hot water).

Takes longer, but if you lack the ability to go cold turkey it's much better and you're more likely to get to the end. Especially as you get more little "goals" as if you slip with cold turkey you're back to the start which is more damaging to your mind set.
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Indeed :)

Which is why I said this:

I can see why it appeals to people, as obviously they're nicotine levels are up there somewhere ^^^^...then going down to suddenly never topping it up again isn't exactly good for them psychologically I guess.
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Skyfall said:
lol I love that rationalisation! When I comment on people's smoking that [or similar] is always a lovely reply, sadly I feel kinda smug when I think of them being 35 with chidlren, dying from lung cancer and not getting to see them grow up, they'll regret it then... Morons.
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iirc the majority of smokers will only die 5 years earlier (on average some longer some much less many the same) than non smokers iirc.

So will you be feeling so smug that you get to live an extra 5 years when you're 70, or them missing 5 years of the ravages of age, after half a century of pleasure from their smoking?
 
Squiff, do you play any sports on a regular basis? Or jog etc? If so, thats another very good reason for quitting. All the smokers I have played football with/against have very poor fitness as a result of smoking and I always feel smug that I can keep on pushing for the whole match whereas they are burnt out much more quickly.

Smoking may not kill you earlier than non-smokers, but it certainly impacts your day-to-day life.
 
nicktay2605 said:
Squiff, do you play any sports on a regular basis? Or jog etc? If so, thats another very good reason for quitting. All the smokers I have played football with/against have very poor fitness as a result of smoking and I always feel smug that I can keep on pushing for the whole match whereas they are burnt out much more quickly.

Smoking may not kill you earlier than non-smokers, but it certainly impacts your day-to-day life.
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I think that's down to a general lack of fitness, not just smoking. I smoke and I run about 40k a week in addition to playing squash (badly) and going to the gym.
 
Tefal said:
But even a massive long term smoker can go through a few days discomfort if nicotine isn't available without going completely off his trolley, try that with a crack addict and they'll spaz out with a much greater need for it in that time.
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IIRC addiction isn't measured by how adverse the effects are when quitting, it's more to do with how long the body craves that which is has been cut off from. I know that the reactions a body has to being cut off from an addiction are tied to how heavily the substance affected the body in the first place, as smoking is a much more subtle effect than crack the body doesn't react so adversely to being cut off from it. I'm no doctor and only studied biology till A-level so i'm by no means claiming i'm an expert but i certainly did read it somewhere many years ago. I would be lost if you asked me to say where tho :o
 
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[DOD]Asprilla;12869271 said:
I think that's down to a general lack of fitness, not just smoking. I smoke and I run about 40k a week in addition to playing squash (badly) and going to the gym.
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I think you are a bit lucky then. When I was at school I played in a 6-aside football league locally, and two of the players on our team were extremely fit, then they started smoking. Despite still doing lots of exercise etc they just didn't have the same level of fitness once they took up smoking properly. The main thing was that they were out of breath much faster than their pre-smoking days.
 
Dont give up straight away, just cut down, its easier to do than just stopping

Week 1 40 cigs
Week 2 30 cigs
week 3 20 cigs

and so on
 
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