Here we go again - Clattenburg accused of racism
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Hopefully the FA and Police can provide us with an answer in about 12 months, then the FA can make him the number one referee in the country.
Has there been any official confirmation that the Chelsea complaint is being of racist language? a representative of the Black Lawyers Association was on Sky Sports News confirming that their complaint to the police is based on the journalist that broke the story on the Daily Mail.
Could the complaint just be about overt bias? e.g. he said to the Chelsea players something like "your club is scum and I want you to lose."
Could the complaint just be about overt bias? e.g. he said to the Chelsea players something like "your club is scum and I want you to lose."
It is pretty clear people who say this do not watch much NFL or arent thinking about it, DM made a decent post about it, not every decision is challenged, there would be a 2 strike challenge system, review takes 1 minute, we already have over a minute of teams surrounding refs and complaining, a challenge would fix this. NFL is start stop due to, switching teams, 45 second play clocks, timeouts, 2 minute warnings, short play nature of the game. Also adverts constantly does not help a flowing feel either. I'd definitely be willing to sacrifice 4 minutes for reviews to not be cheated.
Can only hope that if these allegations are untrue/unfounded then the FA come down extremely hard on Chelsea.
Forgetting about this whole 'racism' thing, i wonder what Chelsea are doing about the fans that injured a steward at the game??. Bunch of idiot supporters to get so riled up about a players celebration of a goal that they felt the need to injure an innocent steward.
Forgetting about this whole 'racism' thing, i wonder what Chelsea are doing about the fans that injured a steward at the game??. Bunch of idiot supporters to get so riled up about a players celebration of a goal that they felt the need to injure an innocent steward.
Agree with all of that.
Chelsea lost big deal , united have been on the wrong end of the result loads of times at the bridge, soon as its chelsea's turn they play the racism card.
Of course no one at United has ever played the racism card following a bad result
Of course no one at United has ever played the racism card following a bad result
I dont ever recall them playing that card
Mind telling us when they have??
Right so it is stop start yet people who say that it is stop start are wrong and do not watch much NFL. I wasn't relating my dislike for most american sports to the referrals systems. Tennis and cricket both have referrals and I love watching both.
Players are not always trying to cheat and they will get things wrong, referrals will be wasted. Most referrals in rugby are related to the rare event of a try being contentious. Look at the sheer number of decisions in football that are contested. Its not so clear cut as most sports.
Lets take the United Chelsea game with a 2 referrals system. Torres high boot. Gets referred, looked at again. Red card. United have both referrals left. Luiz handball, referred and penalty given, perhaps yellow card.
Ivanovich sending off, no one would contest. Evans on Torres wouldn't have happened because of his red in the first half but if it was looked at again, Torres would have still gone for diving in all likelihood.
There are so many events in a football match that could be contested that it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference.
What if its an eventful game. You could use both referrals in the first half and get 10 horrendous decisions against you in the second and have no come back. Would you complain that you are hard done by. Of course you would. If a decision is given incorrectly and the challenge is not possible then you will have the same issues as now.
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That's why you challenge better? Call it right and you keep your challenge, also referees have the benefit if unsure they can review the play themselves.
It would be better than it is now, no dispute about it.
Also re your first line you suggested it is start stop due to challenges, I told you why it is start stop not due to that, did you even read it?
It would be better than it is now, no dispute about it.
Also re your first line you suggested it is start stop due to challenges, I told you why it is start stop not due to that, did you even read it?
Lovely, so in tennis when they get new ones every set and they have very very very good linesman and judges looking at a ball hitting a line with no interference from anything and they still run out of them.
In a game of 90 minutes where there is quite often not a clear decision on an issue, you expect a couple of challenges to make the difference. You never hear about decisions in tennis being controversial after a replay because the replay is almost 100% accurate. How many people do you still hear arguing about decisions after a game. The Evans, Torres tackle is very much up for interpretation even after a hundred replays.
If its clear cut 100% then yes you will get your referral back. A large percentage of fouls are seen from each sides perspective so the attacker will think he was fouled and the defender thinks he got a bit of the ball. Both think they are right and both might be wrong. Football doesn't lend itself to a referrals system. You are not looking whether a ball crossed the line, you are deciding whether that tiny bit of contact was enough to send a player sprawling or if he took a dive. Slow motion can make things look better or worse than they were at full speed, how do you take that into account.
Its really not anything like as simple as you suggest and the outcry if a decision that was referred was still seen to be wrong would be deafening.
Heres the exact quote...
What am I missing in that sentence? I didn't mention challenges in the slightest. I didn't even hint at them. In my next post I then said that I watch cricket and tennis just to make it crystal clear that I have no problems with sport stopping for referrals. You said that you are watching more american sports because of this rubbish going on in football, and I said that is a rubbish reason to watch american sports as they are not good to watch. Nothing to do with referrals.
Ah okay understand last bit now, guess your opinion is just wrong on them.
The thing is there aren't 10 massive decisions that influence matches a game, in fact 4 big ones would be surprising, you don't challenge every single thing that looks a little dubious. Also if not clear cut give the decision least likely to change the out come of the game.
The thing is there aren't 10 massive decisions that influence matches a game, in fact 4 big ones would be surprising, you don't challenge every single thing that looks a little dubious. Also if not clear cut give the decision least likely to change the out come of the game.
Its quite hard to call someone wrong on a subjective matter but there we go.
If I watched the United vs Chelsea game again I could easily pick 5 incidents for each team that would merit a referral. If I took hindsight into account it would be many more.
Football is a game of luck and chance. You could have 20 incorrect free kicks on the edge of your box and the opposition might score from none of them. You might ignore a off the ball challenge because you are on the attack. Should you be able to bring up events a long time after it happened. Football is nothing like any of the other games that use referrals.
Referrals for fouls can wait. Surely first we can get goal line technology to see if goals should stand or not, and replays to see if goals should be chalked off for offside. This can be done as the game is stopped for a celebration anyway, so it won't slow the game down.
Even this weekend you can see wrong offside decisions against Hernandez, Suarez and Art eta which have affected results and the table.
Even this weekend you can see wrong offside decisions against Hernandez, Suarez and Art eta which have affected results and the table.
If it is in a clear dangerous position and you know it is the wrong call challenge it.
Also don't really understand your point about off the ball challenge when on the attack, just because you throw a challenge flag doesn't mean play stops, it continues until the ball is dead, if you scored the player can be punished after by a card? The NFL challenge system isn't tennis or cricket
Also don't really understand your point about off the ball challenge when on the attack, just because you throw a challenge flag doesn't mean play stops, it continues until the ball is dead, if you scored the player can be punished after by a card? The NFL challenge system isn't tennis or cricket
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My thoughts exactly.
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Makes you wonder if Mikel got all in a huff due to the ref's display, had a moment of madness where he played the race-card and either forgot, or didn't realise, that the ref has an open mic.