fail for reporting facts? you act like they never mention colour/race when its white , spanish or whatever
I think he meant a fail as in: " gee that really narrows it down"
Hero stabbed to death after chasing muggers who stole woman's bag
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I think he meant a fail as in: " gee that really narrows it down"
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What are those?
Terrible shame. I'm sure most people would do the same if they had the chance - awful end to a brave person's life.
Would have probably resulted in the woman being stabbed first just to be on the safe side.
Or the hero missing and shooting some poor innocent bystander.
Oe getting shot by some other have a go hero with their own gun.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concealed_carry_in_the_United_States
And for some referenced statistics on the benefit provided.
http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp#Right-To-Carry Laws
http://www.mcsm.org/usatlott.html
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=34849
Laws can never prevent criminals from carrying weapons, and the police are a reactive, not a proactive force. Sometimes the solution seems unpleasant, but the effectiveness cannot be denied.
Citation needed, given that it flies in the face of the vast majority of research into the effect....
Soldato
I resisted interfering in a fight between a couple of chavs and 2 regular looking guys the other day (well, chavs beating the others on the ground). I always thought I'd be able to but at the time, it just didn't seem to be a good idea. So, I just called 999 and a police van came within 5 minutes (!), by which time the chavs had legged it.
RIP Sukhwinder Singh; he had the courage to step in but unfortunately it cost it his life. At least people close to him ought to be proud of him.
RIP Sukhwinder Singh; he had the courage to step in but unfortunately it cost it his life. At least people close to him ought to be proud of him.
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Caporegime
Of course.
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...might or might not make a difference. In the USA as you've referenced they seem to help lower rates of particular types of crime but the USA has a much more recent history of gun culture than the UK so I'd suggest that it is far from certain the net effect would be the same here as it is there. I suppose the question then becomes whether you think the risk of this potential experiment going wrong outweighs the risks of leaving the status quo.
As for the original story it's a real tragedy that Mr Singh was killed for trying to help out, I hope they manage to catch the perpetrators.
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I thought he was executed in china a few days ago?
Who?
Soldato
Not sure chasing thieves down is ever the right thing to do,anyone up to no good nowadays is probably tooled up to some degree,so the risk in tackling them is huge.
Easy for me to say sitting here I suppose and as a knee jerk reaction maybe I/we would have done the same if witnessing a similar crime,either way it's an horrifically tragic waste of human life.RIP.
Easy for me to say sitting here I suppose and as a knee jerk reaction maybe I/we would have done the same if witnessing a similar crime,either way it's an horrifically tragic waste of human life.RIP.
Indeed, what a sad waste of life for nothing more than replaceable inanimate objects!
WTF was the 'Hero' thinking
That the two low lifes were gonna turn around and say 'opps sorry gov your right I shouldn't have done that, here have the handbag back'
Of course it was gonna kick off and I don't care how tough you think you are taking on 2 people (possibly tooled up) is complete suicide, the least you can expect is a good hiding and the worse as in this case DEATH!
RIP
Also whoever said letting everyone run around with guns tucked into their knickers will reduce violent crime/deaths needs a massive
Man of Honour
I used to be all for being a 'have a go hero' before joining the police then I realised it's just not worth it. Unless you're sure without a doubt that you can successfully apprehend someone unlawfully at large without risk of injury to yourself or others then it's much better to just watch, phone 999, and give a detailed description to the operator of the persons involved and where they are headed.
As for the police needing to change; well we could do with the government not turning us into a bureaucracy-riddled office workers so we could spend a lot more time on the beat being pro-active AND reactive. As for sentencing it's the CPS and courts you need to complain about. We only bring people to justice. Not set the punishments.
As for the police needing to change; well we could do with the government not turning us into a bureaucracy-riddled office workers so we could spend a lot more time on the beat being pro-active AND reactive. As for sentencing it's the CPS and courts you need to complain about. We only bring people to justice. Not set the punishments.
I would guess a better question would be what justifies the status quo on a rational level. Guns weren't banned due to problems with most gun owners, but as an emotional reaction to a few tragic but massively outlying anomolies.
Definitely. It's worth remembering that carrying knives is illegal as well. Laws don't prevent criminals carrying things, they only impact the already law abiding...
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It's never the right thing to chase after someone like this. The same as if burglars raided my house and demanded me to tell them where all the money/valuables were. I'd tell them where everything was right away. Money and material possessions can all be replaced and my life is far more valuable than any amount of money.
R.I.P. Brave, but stupid.
R.I.P. Brave, but stupid.