Hero stabbed to death after chasing muggers who stole woman's bag

Dolph said:
Arguing that 'gun deaths' is a meaningful statistic is a red herring. Deaths are what is important, because you're just as dead whether you are shot or stabbed.
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Agreed but that's not what I argued.

Ironically the states with the worst murder rates in the USA usually have higher levels of gun control. Of course, correlation doesn't necessarily equal causation, but that applies to the deaths and gun ownership point just as well...
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Again, not what I argued. The fact remains, guns are advantageous. I'm not talking about end statistics, just the items themselves. Cars and cigarettes kill more people at the end of day but that doesn't mean owning a gun won't help someone commit murder or suicide. If guns weren't so desirable for those acts, then a lot of people wouldn't bother obtaining them in the first place.

Does that mean that restricting guns will outright stop everyone becoming murderers? No, of course not.
 
Chimerical said:
Agreed but that's not what I argued.

Again, not what I argued. The fact remains, guns are advantageous. I'm not talking about end statistics, just the items themselves. Cars and cigarettes kill more people at the end of day but that doesn't mean owning a gun won't help someone commit murder or suicide. If guns weren't so desirable for those acts, then a lot of people wouldn't bother obtaining them in the first place.

Does that mean that restricting guns will outright stop everyone becoming murderers? No, of course not.
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The more important question is would making guns more available make more people murderers than are now, and the answer is exactly the same... The violence level of a society is not a function of the number of weapons available.
 
Dolph said:
The more important question is would making guns more available make more people murderers than are now, and the answer is exactly the same... The violence level of a society is not a function of the number of weapons available.
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True and I think handguns should be legal in this country and that America has obvious problems other than the amount of ammunition lying around.

But then they're hardly that much better than us when it comes to drugs and paranoia over those so I don't know what that means other than guns are more of an ingrained part of their culture.
 
vonhelmet said:
Note to those who fell into the sarchasm - I am not a racist. The post was only made as a dig at the general feeling we get on these boards any time we discuss racial issues.
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Was just about to post pointing that out, heh. A few unknown faces getting the wrong end of the stick, it's expected really. :p

Saw this on the news earlier. It's pretty sad, but at the same time quite humbling that there are still good people out there.

R.I.P. Mr Singh.
 
vonhelmet said:
Sufficiently advanced satire is indistinguishable from reality.
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i knew it was a sarcastic comment. My point still stands that the first thing that came into your mind was about race, as thats what you commented about.
First thing that came into my mind was poor guy and i hope the guys that did this are caught.
 
timmothy said:
i knew it was a sarcastic comment. My point still stands that the first thing that came into your mind was about race, as thats what you commented about.
First thing that came into my mind was poor guy and i hope the guys that did this are caught.
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Actually, my first thought was that it was tragic, but it's utterly redundant and +1 postcount hto post that, so I didn't bother.

My second thought, the race issue, didn't even occur to me until someone else - post #10 specifically - raised it. Until then I hadn't even read the article so couldn't know about the race of the assailants.

Any other judgments you care to make about me?
 
For god sake.

When someone chases and is attacked and dies, he is hailed a hero.
When someone chases and catches and defends himself he goes to prison for 3 yrs like Mr Hussain (remember the one who defended against armed burglars then chased em down and clobbered one over the head with a cricket bat?).
 
f00f1ght0r said:
For god sake.

When someone chases and is attacked and dies, he is hailed a hero.
When someone chases and catches and defends himself he goes to prison for 3 yrs like Mr Hussain (remember the one who defended against armed burglars then chased em down and clobbered one over the head with a cricket bat?).
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Well, except Mr Hussain's actions weren't in any way defensive, and indeed neither him nor his solicitor ever made the claim of acting in self defence because they knew it was ludicrous... You forgot to mention the bit where Hussain and his brothers repeatedly hit an downed man in the head until they gave him permanant brain damage...
 
Dolph said:
Well, except Mr Hussain's actions weren't in any way defensive, and indeed neither him nor his solicitor ever made the claim of acting in self defence because they knew it was ludicrous... You forgot to mention the bit where Hussain and his brothers repeatedly hit an downed man in the head until they gave him permanant brain damage...
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He got everything he deserved - he was a criminal.
 
pioneer2000 said:
He got everything he deserved - he was a criminal.
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So if a child steals a penny sweet from a newsagents he should be beaten to within an inch of his life and permanently brain damaged?

Anyway, we do digress.

A man who was stabbed to death as he tried to stop two muggers fleeing with a woman's handbag was last night hailed as a hero.
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A hero?! It was just a bag.
 
Why on Earth would you place your life at stake for the sake of a handbag?

Sure go out fighting or risk all to save someone you love, but chasing after criminals for a bag?
 
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