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Nana said:
the Boers hate us - after all we invented concentration camps to kill them

Are you so ignorant of historical fact ?

The British fought a new era of war when during the Boer War of 1899-1902. While the British strength numbered around 500,000 at it's height, the Boer guerilla force rarely numbered over 20,000 but due to the tactics used, they were troublesome as regular soldiers were not trained to fight irregulars.

As part of the plan to end the conflict, the British introduced policies such as Blockhouses, scorched earth and concentration camps. The camps were intended for Boer families to be interned in as it was next to impossible to determine which families were active guerillas' or harbouring them and the plan was to weed them out that way.

However, your words are way off the mark when you say thay were introduced to kill them. That was never the plan and it was lack of sanitation, Cholera and Typhoid that killed over 20,000 men, women and children in those camps. They were not summarily executed, experimented on or gassed in the name of racial purification so I would suggest you get your facts straight before spouting utter carp.

Also, at the end of that conflict, the British Government paid reparations to the Transvaal and Orange Free State to the tune of £ 3 million pounds and that was the first time a victor ever paid out to the defeated nation as it was normally the other way around.

I do not wish to sound officious at all, but the above was not googled and while I am not an expert, I do have a pretty good idea both historically and now in terms of how the world turns, something I think you lack in depth.
 
Nana said:
of course these ships are crucial in the fight against pirates, with their fantastic air threat capability, obviously we need aircraft carrier defense ships.

Do you understand the way in which our complex world tends to work Nana? Are you attempting to promote some new ideal where a country can realistically scale down their military without consequence? What sort of an opulent would is it that you dream of?
 
Freefaller said:
Who wants to join me in travelling to Nanaland, and live happily ever after? Sounds like a wonderful place. :)
sounds nicer than your militarisitc police state where we all live in fear of invasions.
 
Ok scenario here new ship on patrol in the far east where piracy of vessels is an ongoing problem, new Type 45 receives sos and sends in a helicopter to support the ship and scares the pirates off. Newspapers all read well done Royal Navy.

We use Nana's issue with the cash and this is the Governments thoughts as well, British ship under attack by pirates sends out an sos and the Type 45 that might have been sent there was never built. British ship gets captured, british sailors killed and ship sunk after being looted of anything worth stealing. Newspaper headlines Where were the Royal Navy?

That is why we need to modernise the Navy as not everything out there is as safe as some might think.

SCM
 
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SCM said:
Ok scenario here new ship on patrol in the far east where piracy of vessels is an ongoing problem, new Type 45 receives sos and sends in a helicopter to support the ship and scares the pirates off. Newspapers all read well done Royal Navy.

We use Nana's issue with the cash and this is the Governments thoughts as well, British ship under attack by pirates sends out an sos and the Type 45 that might have been sent there was never built. British ship gets captured, british sailors killed and ship sunk after being looted of anything worth stealing. Newspaper headlines Where were the Royal Navy?

That is why we need to modernise the Navy as not everything out there is not as safe as some might think.

SCM
these boats are for aircraft carrier defense. they will not be used to stop piracy. or drug runners. :/
 
Perhaps we should disband the Navy, and then use sticks and stones and harsh language from now onwards.

Thread is getting stupid.. I posted my response, obviously for nothing, so I’ll join in the now stupid banter.. This thread is gonna get locked.. LOL
 
cleanbluesky said:
Nana - do I take that you consider yourself capable of sleeping on the street without any fear of attack or assault?
and thats relevant how?

personal security is in no way relevant to national security, and in this day and age, naval strength bears very little relation to national security.
 
Nana said:
these boats are for aircraft carrier defense. they will not be used to stop piracy. or drug runners. :/

Ha ha.. Someone paid attention.. Yes, this is why they are armed with air - air systems etc.. To protect our new carriers.. 4 stars to you..
 
Nana said:
and thats relevant how?

personal security is in no way relevant to national security, and in this day and age, naval strength bears very little relation to national security.

Its an example of a cohesive entity forgoing protection in a closed system with the presence of other entities...

Oh, and you didnt answer the quesion
 
Also Nana, I think you greatly underestimate the dangers we face in todays age. The threat of Nuclear, chemical and biological threats by rogue nations and groups have never been greater and those threats must be countered by the most cutting edge know how and techology available.

The Royal Navy has been around long before the United States came into being, let alone George W Bush, and your suggestion that it and our other Forces are there to satisfy the oil demands of him and his nation are laughable.

Do you think that Al Qaeda ia a gentlemans' club with a penchant for debate Nana ?
 
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