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These type 45 destroyers are geared towards Air defence as thats where an attack more likley than not will come from... They are designed as multi-role platforms, capable of completing many different missions.

Though they benifit our economy as well as our military as they keep a lot of people in work.
 
Nana said:
not really, I'm just aware that none of you will change your minds, I sort of agree with dirtydog, that we dont need to be a superpower or to project air power all over the world.

And I still think it is an obscene offensive waste of money.
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Your right about us changing our minds, and I don't think any of us will change your opinion either, which of course you are entitled to.

I think you the way you expressed your opinion caused the intial ****storm and things progressed from there
 
V-Spec said:
I think with the way things are progressing, I welcome the 20 Billion tony has just spent on nuclear weapons, I welcome this new battleship, I welcome any spending which is gonna help protect us from what is inevitable in the next 5 years, you think Iraq was all about oil and saddm? no chance, it was to get a foothold in the east because of what is now beginning to unfold with Iran... Blair and bush aint stupid, they know whats coming more than any of us...
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this is one thing I totally agree on V-Spec, although the oil is an important factor.

Iran and it's Nuclear capabilities will be a huge factor in the coming years as you say.
 
If these ships are for fulfilling NATO commitments then I would wholeheartedly agree its a complete waste of money. Sod NATO, sod Iraq, sod every single foreign cup in hand mission the UK is greased into doing ... we should be utterly selfish when it comes to defense. :D
 
Just to pick out one very recent example, I'm prepared to bet that the oil workers who were just recently pulled out of Nigeria after repeated attacks from pirates (or whoever they were), not to mention those who were killed there, would have been grateful for a nearby T-45 (or any suitably capable Naval vessel for that matter).

Anyway, as regards the OP, as that seems to have disappeared in all this political melee, they certainly do look impressive.

Now, I'd better go talk to the nearest door. :)
 
Nana said:
I sort of agree with dirtydog, that we dont need to be a superpower or to project air power all over the world.
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Britain is not a superpower and has never been in my opinion, even during the days of the Empire.

The Royal Navy, once these ships enter service, will be back where it should have been in the first place. A strong Royal Navy is essential for the defence of interests both at home and abroad for an island nation.

Beserker said:
Now, I'd better go talk to the nearest door.
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I fancy you will get more sense out of that Mr B. ;)
 
Nana said:
thats right
Because when we get big weapons we use them, and that tends to kill people, often innocent poeple but thats just collateral damage, and that in turn, leads to more hatred and resentment, and more poeple wanting to kill us. If we stopped killing innocent people and raping the world for our lifestyles, then less people would want to kill us, its a kind of reap what you sow thing. If TB had no army, he wouldnt have gone into afghanistan or iraq in the first place. And then almost certainly, 7/7 would not have happened.
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I see, we should disarm, then people will love us. Also, it would have prevented 7/7 because it was connected to Iraq in exactly the same way 9/11 wasn't.

Additionally we are the evil ones and the ones who send suicide bombers into schools are not, because they are just poor misunderstood victims of western opression.

Gotcha.
 
i read something a couple of years ago that if the royal navy lost another ship it could not be classed as a navy..but would be called a coastal defence force.

what a sad state of affairs.

as for Nana words fail me.

nana for president!!!! then we can all live in nanaland looking at the world through nanavision rose tinted goggles :D
 
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I'd love to see the setup onboard... I jut know they've got some cool toys to play with. :D I can't help it, working in the marine industry draws me wanting to knowing the architecture of it all - it would have been a fascinating project to have worked on... hmmm maybe a career change is in order - well a clientele change at any rate ;)
 
Nana said:
WHO IS GOING TO ATTACK US?????

should I be living in fear? what do you all know that I don't?
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At the point of this quote I have read enough of your Trolling, shortsighted, argumentative, foolish, contradictive BS posts. You sir have wasted far too many peoples time by reiterating a point, which many people have tried to explain to you is shortsighted and not in our interests. Unfortunately it is clear that your ability to comprehend this is blinded by your inability to see past one action which the consequences have yet not fully panned out. I suggest you stop reading the daily mail or any other form of propaganda as you are clearly susceptible to it.

In 1939. No one thought Germany had an army capable of invading one country, let alone advancing across most of Europe and into Africa. Yet they did. No one thought that British interests would be attacked in the 80's and yet they were.

The simple fact of the matter is if you want peace then plan for war.

If war is upon us then building new military hardware is futile as we will not have the time or the resource to complete the construction and then train the troops to use it. If we appear weak then the nations and terrorist groups that wish us harm will become more aggressive and more likely to attack us.

No these Ships will not prevent many terrorist attacks. But they demonstrate that we take national security seriously.


In terms of world police. The US and UK are two of the countries that the world call upon in order to sort out disputes and to protect other nations. IIRC The US and UK do most of the dangerous Peace Keeping before handing over to other nations once things have settled down. IMO it is highly hypocritical that the Nations that ask us to submit our troops (mainly the UN) then say. Hang on we don’t want to get involved and don’t want you to either. Yet when they want help they turn to us first and expect us to cooperate.

IMO Iraq was about a few things.

1) finishing off the job the old man started.
2) Liberating a people trapped by Tyrant dictatorships
3) Getting a strong military presence in the middle east in order to improve negotiation and mediating power and authority
4) Proving to Rogue nations that the Western Armies are something to fear and they have the capacity to overthrow any government that mistreats its people with very little effort or loss of Western Life.
5) Oil - You do realise that the US and UK do not have to receive any profit from the sale of Iraqi oil. We will benefit due to the increase in oil available due to supply/demand. I.e. because more oil is available the cost to buy it is lower.
 
Kronologic said:
At the point of this quote I have read enough of your Trolling, shortsighted, argumentative, foolish, contradictive BS posts. You sir have wasted far too many peoples time by reiterating a point, which many people have tried to explain to you is shortsighted and not in our interests. Unfortunately it is clear that your ability to comprehend this is blinded by your inability to see past one action which the consequences have yet not fully panned out. I suggest you stop reading the daily mail or any other form of propaganda as you are clearly susceptible to it.

In 1939. No one thought Germany had an army capable of invading one country, let alone advancing across most of Europe and into Africa. Yet they did. No one thought that British interests would be attacked in the 80's and yet they were.

The simple fact of the matter is if you want peace then plan for war.

If war is upon us then building new military hardware is futile as we will not have the time or the resource to complete the construction and then train the troops to use it. If we appear weak then the nations and terrorist groups that wish us harm will become more aggressive and more likely to attack us.

No these Ships will not prevent many terrorist attacks. But they demonstrate that we take national security seriously.


In terms of world police. The US and UK are two of the countries that the world call upon in order to sort out disputes and to protect other nations. IIRC The US and UK do most of the dangerous Peace Keeping before handing over to other nations once things have settled down. IMO it is highly hypocritical that the Nations that ask us to submit our troops (mainly the UN) then say. Hang on we don’t want to get involved and don’t want you to either. Yet when they want help they turn to us first and expect us to cooperate.

IMO Iraq was about a few things.

1) finishing off the job the old man started.
2) Liberating a people trapped by Tyrant dictatorships
3) Getting a strong military presence in the middle east in order to improve negotiation and mediating power and authority
4) Proving to Rogue nations that the Western Armies are something to fear and they have the capacity to overthrow any government that mistreats its people with very little effort or loss of Western Life.
5) Oil - You do realise that the US and UK do not have to receive any profit from the sale of Iraqi oil. We will benefit due to the increase in oil available due to supply/demand. I.e. because more oil is available the cost to buy it is lower.
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no no no !! All we need to do is lay ourselves at the mercy of other countries goodwill, and they will all love us ! Afterall, declaring themselves neutral saved Belgium, Holland and Luxembourg from invasion in 1940 !!

Oh wait...no it didn't.
 
Nana said:
Because when we get big weapons we use them,
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Can you please tell me the last time a UK submarine fired one of our nuclear missiles?

Can you please tell me the last time a UK warship fired on a hostile ship?
 
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Having no military capability certainly helped Tibet, if they had an army it would have provoked China into invading it and enslaving its people.

Oh wait... that didn't work either....
 
fatiain said:
^^ that's what a Navy/Army/Air force is for. Defence, not upsetting the world and his brother like Nana seems to think.
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In the last 10 years our forces have not defended anybody.

That i can think of off the top of my head anyhow.
 
The last time the UK military was used for defense was to repel the Argentine invasion of the Falklands .. Also I would include the troop deployments in Northern Ireland as well ..

Every other campaign or War for the past 100 years has been offensive though, in my view.
 
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