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Nana said:
that is also absurd. Stop just making stuff up, and if you are going to make such spurious claims, please back them up.
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Your posts back me up...Anyone who reads the thread will see what I mean.
 
Balddog said:
Your posts back me up...Anyone who reads the thread will see what I mean.
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yet another piece of spurious rhetoric, if you actually have a point to make, that you can validly back up, then do it.
 
Nana said:
rofl like the 45 minute claim. You believe what the IS say?

and OMG these ships are air interdict for DEFENDING AIRCRAFT CARRIERS

they will not be used for attacking terrorist camps, defending our shorelines, stiopping drug runners or challenging piracy.
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Straight from the Royal Navy website.
http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/static/pages/1973.html

The Type 45 is large and spacious enough to accommodate lengthened vertical launchers that could carry cruise missiles, should the requirement for a land attack capability arise.
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Ok this was taken from the swedish armed forces page

www.mil.se said:
To defend Sweden against armed attack
The Swedish Armed Forces are to prepare in peacetime to defend Sweden in war against armed attacks that could threaten our freedom and independence. The Armed Forces are to be able to counter armed attacks regardless of their origin, and to defend the entire country.

To maintain Swedish territorial integrity
The presence of Swedish forces near our borders and in surrounding waters reduces the risk of conflict. In maintaining our territorial integrity, the Armed Forces use principally air and naval forces.

To contribute to peace and security in the world
Together with other countries, Sweden is to take part in international peace-promoting and humanitarian operations. Since there is always a risk that military conflicts may spread, it is in Sweden's interests to play a part in resolving conflicts in the world around us.

To assist Swedish society in times of severe peacetime difficulty
The Armed Forces are to make the resources available to support Swedish society in times of severe peacetime difficulty. Effective co-operation with other authorities for the utilisation of these resources is vital. Together with the Civil Defence organisation, the Armed Forces must also be able to prevent or assist in managing civilian disasters and crises, such as natural disasters, environmental accidents, acts of terrorism and large influxes of refugees.
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It states the reasons why the swede's have their navy, and they have the most advanced navy in the world today.

Their development of stealth technology has been remarkable.

KaHn
 
Nana said:
they will not be used for attacking terrorist camps, defending our shorelines, stopping drug runners or challenging piracy.
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Wanna Bet, I spent 7 months in the carribean while serving in the Royal Navy, both carrying out anti drug op and disaster relief when Monserrat was errupting.

These duties included getting to put a shot across the bows of a drug runner and evacuating locals from monserrat,

P.S we had a great time :D
 
A Warship like any weapon has many purposes. Policing, projection of power, Defense and Attack etc. How its used is a matter of politics. Don't confuse the two.

Something like a ship takes a long time to develop and a risk is always that its role will have changed by the time it comes into service. The best route is usually to build something that has the potential to be multirole and modified as required. The route of cost cutting really hurt the navy in the falklands and was major factor (not the only one) of why so many ships were lost.

However without the navy you wouldn't have got the falklands back. Why you wanted them back is a different matter.

Take a look at your neighbours. Ireland their defence forces air/land/sea are pretty much purely defensive, for fishery protection and policing the national waters. But pretty toothless in any other role for enforcing UN issues etc.

The UN is probably a bad example as its pretty toothless itself. However that because of politics more than anything else.
 
Nana said:
the likelihood of the UK having to repel a naval invasion in this day and age is unthinkable.

So the role of this boat is to support aircraft carriers... ok.. why the hell do we need aircraft carriers? Our armed forces are being used as a backup to any old invasion the yanks propose, and the good old british taxpayer keeps paying so Dubya gets rich, and some of the finest people in the country are getting killed, in nasty ways, so Dubya, and Halliburton can get oil, and you all defend it. Ok, is it any wonder we are hated?

And Balddog, regardless of what you say, the UK and US is hugely despised around the world.

And to all the moronic remarks suggesting I live in Afghanistan or whatever, really grow up. Dissent is a vital part of democracy. It's our money and our leaders are killing poeple in OUR NAME, we have blood on our hands, and with technology like this, we can get even more poeple killed, even quicker, evern further away in an even more sanitized way. Hooray.
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This has probably been replied to already, but you are talking rubbish. Why do we need aircraft carriers? how about to project our air power all over the world. We can't rely on foreign bases all the time especially in the middle east, so we need something to project our air power, our current carriers are a joke, ohhh 8 harriers great thats going to do a lot isn't it, which is what the current invincible class carriers can carry.

The UK is not despised around the world, large swathes of the world idolise this country, the Africans bloody love us, especially the ex collonies, have spoken to a few africans over he years in this country, and they all say that the ex colonies are in general regarded by all of Africa as the best african countries, there are abviously some exceptions but most of that large continent still like us. Look at our armed forces, there are people from all over the world who are ready to fight and die for this country, couple of mates of mine were talking to someone from Tonga in walkabout, he was in the Army, and one thing that it really brought home is just how much these people believe in this country, moreso than many of the british do, there are millions upon millions of people all over the world who think we are a great nation.

I think it's great that we have got this ship in service, now as long as we don't fanny about and get the other 5 built and into service along with the two carriers our navy will be able to commit to a proper world role again. However i'm somewhat dubious of if this will all happen, as we have had 2 state of the art warships sat in port for a long while because we can't afford to put the engines back in after servicing.
 
not really, I'm just aware that none of you will change your minds, I sort of agree with dirtydog, that we dont need to be a superpower or to project air power all over the world.

And I still think it is an obscene offensive waste of money.
 
Nana said:
complete and utter waste of money so we can kill innocent people for more oil for Mr Bush, is it any wonder we are hated?
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We need new ships to fill our NATO commitments as well you know - Were a strong country, we do the right thing, how could the Gulf have been handled differently?! The Armed forces of this nation are spread all across the world, not just Iraq - there supply lines have to be defended, coastal areas need protection.

I suppose some people don't understand just how good at peace keeping the British Army is.
 
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