Horrific Crash on M6

drunkenmaster said:
Theres two things that strike me, firstly, people in their OWN country are unlikely to drive on the wrong side of the road, I'm not saying you were, I'm saying, unless you stopped and had a chat with them in portuguese how do you know thats where they were from.

THe other point being long haul driving around Europe tend to deliver from one country to another, they could realistically have been from anywhere could they not, and its far more likely a driver from another country was driving on the wrong side of the road.

Pretty much everything in your statement would make me believe they weren't Portuguese, hell, they might have been English.

I also laugh, wholeheartidly at the idea that there are no unsafe english lorries being driven around. Have any of you not ever lived in the UK, with dodgey people working for dodgey people and shockingly not abiding by the rules. There are some foreign drivers who realise their job is their livelyhood and crashing their vehicle due to crappy maintainance will only lead to their death, there will be some who don't give a crap and drive a wreck, both types of people who you would also find working in the UK.


I've been witness to thousands of ridiculously bad drivers cutting across traffic on motorways, jumping redlights, causing accidents in my years, the majority of them were English. There are thousands of crashes a day all caused by English people. Yes it IS completely and utterly ridiculous, without question, to say you're not remotely surprised it was a foreign driver and it is a fairly typical response these days on the forum.

had it been a uk driver you would not have said you were not surprised, considering the massive, ridiculous majority of car crashes in the uk are caused by english drivers, surely you would not be surprised to see it was a English driver but surprised it was a foreign driver.

ANyway, it was probably caused by a smegging chav throwing a brick into the lorry off a bridge..............

Yeah, i took the foreign/racist angle and made my own typical chav/anti english scum semi racist comment, irony.
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Wow sorry but that is the biggest load of drivel I’ve read in ages, it doesn’t make any sense at all.
 
Azagoth said:
Portuguese too! If you've ever driven in Portugal then this will not be a shock at all. We were ran off the road twice by trucks over there, both times they were on the wrong side of the road, i.e. our side and barrelling towards us with no intention of moving. One of the times, we ended up in a ditch at the side of the road and had to be pulled out by a local guy with a Toyota pick-up.
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Said "Young Spanish Trucker" this morning on the radio
 
Arresting him for dangerous driving is par for the course in any road accident where deaths are involved.

You have to weigh this up before judging. If the guy was swerving over the road or his truck was badly maintained then yes Fothsans point stands. If it was a simple blow out which caused him to career across the road then it does not warrant any comment about his nationality or otherwise. It was just a freak accident.

Until we know exactly what happened I'm reserving judgement.

However, drivers generally in both spain and portugal scare me :(
 
drunkenmaster said:
Theres two things that strike me, firstly, people in their OWN country are unlikely to drive on the wrong side of the road, I'm not saying you were, I'm saying, unless you stopped and had a chat with them in portuguese how do you know thats where they were from.
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Relevance?

drunkenmaster said:
THe other point being long haul driving around Europe tend to deliver from one country to another, they could realistically have been from anywhere could they not, and its far more likely a driver from another country was driving on the wrong side of the road.
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Said on the radio and the policeman on TV that the truck driver was from one of two countrys, non of those two are the UK.

drunkenmaster said:
Pretty much everything in your statement would make me believe they weren't Portuguese, hell, they might have been English..
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OK

drunkenmaster said:
I also laugh, wholeheartidly at the idea that there are no unsafe english lorries being driven around. Have any of you not ever lived in the UK, with dodgey people working for dodgey people and shockingly not abiding by the rules. There are some foreign drivers who realise their job is their livelyhood and crashing their vehicle due to crappy maintainance will only lead to their death, there will be some who don't give a crap and drive a wreck, both types of people who you would also find working in the UK...
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Non-one said we don't have bad english lorry drivers, whats that got to do about anything?

drunkenmaster said:
I've been witness to thousands of ridiculously bad drivers cutting across traffic on motorways, jumping redlights, causing accidents in my years, the majority of them were English. There are thousands of crashes a day all caused by English people. Yes it IS completely and utterly ridiculous, without question, to say you're not remotely surprised it was a foreign driver and it is a fairly typical response these days on the forum....
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Good for you, read the links people have posted and you will see a foreign drivers in the uk is more likely to crash than someone who drives on the correct side of the road and comes from this country.

drunkenmaster said:
had it been a uk driver you would not have said you were not surprised, considering the massive, ridiculous majority of car crashes in the uk are caused by english drivers, surely you would not be surprised to see it was a English driver but surprised it was a foreign driver.

ANyway, it was probably caused by a smegging chav throwing a brick into the lorry off a bridge................

Yeah, i took the foreign/racist angle and made my own typical chav/anti english scum semi racist comment, irony.
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Great good for you.
 
rghjones said:
I'd rather be 'wiped out' (nice compassionate vocabulary) instantly in a high-speed crash than, say, raped, shot or tortured.
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Assuming they weren't killed on impact, they burned to death whilst thier immediate family burned to death right infront of them. Not a pleasant way to go I would imagine.

Poor sods, RIP :(
 
Burning to death must be a horrid horrid way to die, infact one of the worst imho.

Anyone know what car the family was in?

Something must have happened on that section of the M6 yesterday evening because 3 bad crashes happened within a few junctions of eachother, must admit mind driving standards on the motorway today have been very bad, i put this down to schools being off and people are driving on the motorway who really shouldn't be!
 
I live in Kent and commute up the A2/M2 to London most days. I would say 80% of the accidents I see involve a foreign truck, and I know of countless other incidents that have been like near misses. I have been driving through roadworks at 50mph limit and had a Polish truck steam up behing me and pull into the narrowed lane 3.

I think it is about time we banned foriegn trucks from British roads (and vice-versa in Europe.) Why cant a truck just drive to Calais and drop the trailer off at the ferry port. Then a UK company collect it from Dover and take it to the final destination?

How many more people have to die on our roads becoause of these constant accidents?
 
pdw8 said:
I live in Kent and commute up the A2/M2 to London most days. I would say 80% of the accidents I see involve a foreign truck, and I know of countless other incidents that have been like near misses. I have been driving through roadworks at 50mph limit and had a Polish truck steam up behing me and pull into the narrowed lane 3.

I think it is about time we banned foriegn trucks from British roads (and vice-versa in Europe.) Why cant a truck just drive to Calais and drop the trailer off at the ferry port. Then a UK company collect it from Dover and take it to the final destination?

How many more people have to die on our roads becoause of these constant accidents?
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This would be nice however won't work in practice, either the price of goods will go up or imports into the uk will drop loads.

Shame really since i hate foriegn trucks ever since one came charging through the central reservation at me a few years back.
 
Duke said:
:rolleyes:
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Can the rolleyes crew either explain whats wrong with what he said or shut up?

Frankly I agree with him. Not becuase of the nationality of the truck driver (Who cares, lets pretend it was an English guy in a foreign lorry) but becuase generally speaking the visibility on the Motorway in a left hand drive truck is considerably less than that in a right hand drive truck.

There have been numerous cases of LHD trucks pulling out to overtake and swiping cars they couldnt see..
 
Firestar_3x said:
This would be nice however won't work in practice, either the price of goods will go up or imports into the uk will drop loads.

Shame really since i hate foriegn trucks ever since one came charging through the central reservation at me a few years back.
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But from what I understand a lot of trucks come over here empty to spend a few days doing jobs in the UK on the cheap diesel they can buy. Or they may deliver to the Uk but then do a few jobs here. As I said, I cannot believe for a minute that all the Polish and Czech trucks I see are delivering goods form their home countries.
 
Firestar_3x said:
This would be nice however won't work in practice, either the price of goods will go up or imports into the uk will drop loads.

Shame really since i hate foriegn trucks ever since one came charging through the central reservation at me a few years back.
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The government should be lobbying the EU parliament to get it's backside in gear of an international standard for MOT's, driving licenses and tax. MOT's to a high realistic standard, and a more comprehensive driving test. If I pay road tax here, why shouldn't the Irish lorries using the M1 as a rat run?
 
Muffin` said:
The government should be lobbying the EU parliament to get it's backside in gear of an international standard for MOT's, driving licenses and tax. MOT's to a high realistic standard, and a more comprehensive driving test. If I pay road tax here, why shouldn't the Irish lorries using the M1 as a rat run?
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Becuase you don't pay Irish road tax should you wish to drive to Ireland?
 
Muffin` said:
Nope, should do though, we pay on the French Tolls, the Swiss system might work intermittently.
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We don't pay French road tax - we simply pay if we wish to use a Toll road. Just as a French citizen will pay additionally to use a toll road as well as paying their own road tax.

And just as the Irish trucker has to pay to use the M6 Toll or any of our Toll Bridges.
 
pdw8 said:
An Irish truck is RHD though so does not really apply as much to this argument.
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Yea, I've no idea why Muffin is sounding off against Irish Trucks. I dont really understand how amazing cross Euro MOT's and stuff change the fundamental safety flaws of driving large LHD vehicles in RHD countries.
 
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