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How will Nvidia react to the AMD 6000 series launch?

Darujhistan said:
Who cares whether it is fairy well accepted by whomever? people use it to play games, the fact we're discussing in on a GPU forum marks that as a red herring or little more than a pedeantic definition. It's ironically playing games to describe it as not a gaming card. If the 90 isn't a gaming card then AMD just took the crown by definition right? But I don't believe that, if the 6900XT and the 3090 trade blows then there's no winner, and the "who has the fastest card" doesn't interest me anyway, that's for e-peeners.

That's what put you off? someone's pedantic description of it? The only thing that would have put me off it was the price, it's ludicrous.

The reason I think you're "coping" is not your RT preferences I can see that, but what made it shine through was trying to crap on AMD's "launch" after NV had the worst launch anyone can remember, and the nonsense about the 3090 not being a gaming card after AMD more or less matched it for 66% of the price.

Both teams are going to spin the hell out of what they're releasing, so neither will prove to be all they're cracked up to be when tested against each other. In the end there's going to be comparable performance across the stacks, I don;t care about a few extra FPS in this games and a few less another one, too nit picky, boring, and not significant. So it will come down to price, features (RT isn't important to some), VRAM (for some), power consumption will be a small factor for some, and whatever floats your boat really. And of course what can you actually buy?

I think it's actually far more healthy not to have one team on top all the way down the stack, and there be competition up and down it. No competition led us to Turing, who wants to see that again?

It was very funny to see all those who said AMD couldn't compete with NV silenced this afternoon though.
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It's not pedantic, it means there's nuance to the situation. It can be both true that it's not a "gaming" card but then some people who have large amounts of disposable income who do not care about costs will buy it for superior performance vs say the rest of the 3000 offering. We see that every generation, we see Titan based GPUs aimed more towards GPGPU people and prosumers which get bought by gamers for £2.5k for fairly minor performance increases over the top end video cards. So what? They typically represent a tiny fraction of overall consumers.

I literally said that the 6900XT beats out the 3090, as you say "by definition", yes. It's clearly a gaming centric card, it doesn't have extreme amounts of vRAM you'd expect at the prosumer level, but it does bring the GPU speed of a top end gaming card with a decent price point. As I said this is the card that I may very well abandon my 3080 preorder for if the ray tracing and DLSS stuff works out to be similar. I'm not a prosumer, I can afford a 3090-like card but I wouldn't buy one because I just cannot justify 10% more perf for 2x the cost, no matter how much savings I have put aside. But I can justify +10% the cost for say +30% the price.

The 3090s price is not so ludicrous if you treat it in the sector I'm talking about and accept that its' a prosumer card. If you're after a large amount of vRAM for prosumer-like tasks such as design, CAD, GPGPU things then its £1400 price tag vs something like the £2500 RTX Titan is actually pretty reasonable.

My opinions on AMDs launch remain reserved until they actually launch. Nvidia had a terrible launch but we don't know precisely why that is, we don't know what AMDs launch will be like, there's too many assumptions right now that AMD will launch their new products and day 1 everyone will preorder and their cards will arrive next day. I've suspected for a long time that AMD may have launch problems like Nvidia have had, that's purely speculation on my part, but like with everything else, if we do not know then just reserve judgement. We'll know soon enough how good it is, why jump to conclusions?

You're right personal preference matter, some people do not give a shiznit about RT, others don't care about 4k but want 360hz @ 1080p, others barely ever play games but want a design card with lots of RAM. Get whatever best appeals to you and suits your need, I have no problem with that. I can only speak for myself> I want pretty games, I want new tech with new effects, and I want to game at 4k in maximum pretty. Whoever can provide that gets my money.

And I agree competition is good, I've said that I'm excited to see AMD punching back, it's nothing but good for the gamers. They have a solid lineup which appears to trade blows with Nvidia from an early preview standpoint, and that's great. AMD have competed with Nvidia many times in the past, I've used many AMD cards myself over the years, having real competition is nothing but great for the consumer. I've kept my 3080 preorder, if the RT stuff for AMD turns out well in reviews I'll also order a 6900XT and then just let them race it out on delivery.
 
The profiles used in the benchmarks suggests they did use RT, like with BFV DX12 Ultra profile has DXR on Ultra mode.

I too have a 3080 on preorder, tempted to cancel but I know getting a 6900XT will likely be hard as while 7nm is apparently better yielding, AMD is plagued by the crypto mining horde which will no doubt be looking to replace the 5700XT farms with 6000's, then you have the scalpers/scripters and everyone else...
 
caff said:
Benchmarks with/without Ryzen CPU are needed. Without these we're unsure of the comparison to Nvidia.

I'm reluctant to upgrade my CPU/mobo without a clear justification. If we're talking more than +5% with a full AMD setup, that might be enough to sway me into a full upgrade.
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Time will tell but I wonder if this will be a return to the "don't buy amd if you dont have amd" mindset that was around a decade ago. So essentially you could have people saying if you have an nvidia gpu you should get intel and only pair amd gpu with amd cpu.

And then 12 months from now when Intel launches its desktp GPU and tries the same **** as AMD its going to be even more hilarious.

Nvidia could be left on the street with intel cpu going with intel gpu and amd cpu going with amd gpu.
 
VonScar said:
Finally, NVIDIA will have to lower prices. If not it will lose market share from its 80%.
NVIDIA's prices have been extortionate, way beyond what they were in proportion to the rest of the cost of building a gaming PC.
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I personally dont think Nvidia will lower prices, they will drop the Ti/Super's that will beat the 6000 card's and charge a premium for them because people will buy them.
Like I been saying for a few weeks, this has been the plan for Nvidia for a while and 2021 is their target not this holiday season, because they can't compete there is no answer from nvidia right now.
 
What would happen if AMD scaled up the 6900 by another 20% or 25% on the chips and produced a card with 96 or 100 Compute units.

The result would be a card that is faster than the 3090 by quite a margin with about the same power consumption.

Worse still for NVidia the above would leave them no where to go on the GA102 chips.

I think there must be some seriously worried people at NVidia HQ.

No new leather jacket this Chrismas Jensen.
 
VonScar said:
Finally, NVIDIA will have to lower prices. If not it will lose market share from its 80%.
NVIDIA's prices have been extortionate, way beyond what they were in proportion to the rest of the cost of building a gaming PC.
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nope

No reason yet to lower prices
 
Kaapstad said:
What would happen if AMD scaled up the 6900 by another 20% or 25% on the chips and produced a card with 96 or 100 Compute units.

The result would be a card that is faster than the 3090 by quite a margin with about the same power consumption.

Worse still for NVidia the above would leave them no where to go on the GA102 chips.

I think there must be some seriously worried people at NVidia HQ.

No new leather jacket this Chrismas Jensen.
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Well Nvidia would probably just produce ga102 on 7nm and use the efficiency gains to get an extra 200-300mhz clock speed. Alternatively they can use ga100 which has 60% more cores than the rtx3090 (ga102 has 10k cores while ga100 has 16k cores)
 
Grim5 said:
Well Nvidia would probably just produce ga102 on 7nm and use the efficiency gains to get an extra 200-300mhz clock speed. Alternatively they can use ga100 which has 60% more cores than the rtx3090 (ga102 has 10k cores while ga100 has 16k cores)
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GA102 on 7nm may still not be enough.

GA100 could show up but most likely in Titan form as it will be disgustingly expensive at something like 3K a card.
 
Kaapstad said:
I wonder how NVidia will react to AMD 6000 cards memory being accessed by the new 5XXX Ryzen CPUs, as obviously this won't work with any card NVidia produces.
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Not that I've paid much attention to it, but is their answer to this not RTX IO? Granted it's slightly different, but same goal?
 
Kaapstad said:
GA100 could show up but most likely in Titan form as it will be disgustingly expensive at something like 3K a card.
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10k I say


Kaapstad said:
What would happen if AMD scaled up the 6900 by another 20% or 25% on the chips and produced a card with 96 or 100 Compute units.
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120 CU looks like the likely next step due to how they have been clustered..
Maybe they will start hitting MCM from hereon (multiples of 80)..
Hopper might be interesting..
Also RT seems to be 30% slower, a likely marketing crutch for NV to sail through
 
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Kaapstad said:
I am basing it on what they did with Volta and the Titan V which sold for between £2700 and £2900.
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Dunno.. there's this a100 Tesla going for $10k and it's still a cut down die..(it has half the fp32 units compared to ga102 cuz they had to push fp64 for hpc, i am purely relying on memory may need a cross check)
 
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