Oh it was a cheapy

(£108 via that mobiles site on a 12mth contract 9mths free by redemption, which my mate (not imaginary) took out , in short a you scratch my back I scratch yours deal as I got him a 32gb TP at the same time as I got my own and sold to him at cost). He didn't want the phone (incidentally he is the iphone4 owner).
The only reason I mentioned my lack of wide ranging experience, I have access to a Desire/BB Torch/Iphone4 (my own ipod touch 4g) each of which I've had a few plays with and I do like them all, not so much the Torch, and those phone owners have had a play with my Pre 3 (they are all long term smartphone users), was an attempt to avoid responses like your initial one (so I failed miserably).
It's all very well having highly experienced users posting opinions but they're not as much use to the less experienced users such as myself who like to read opinions from both ends of the spectrum.