A good old fashioned sense of British decency and fair play would suggest that people who have migrated to the UK legally shouldn't then be made to leave except in exceptional circumstances (e.g. if they are convicted of a crime).
Huge reductions in foreign student numbers
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A good old fashioned sense of British decency and fair play would suggest that people who have migrated to the UK legally shouldn't then be made to leave except in exceptional circumstances (e.g. if they are convicted of a crime).
To be fair, minimum wage is minimum wage, the vast majority of them are paid that or more.
Also keeping the costs of their products down......we the consumer don't want to pay higher prices for our goods either.
Living in Lincs and having friends who are managers in factories etc, the reason they employ them (even with all the language issues) is because on average they turn up and are hard working, compared to the indigenous locals
Ahh, I thought we are in a world now where the Govt is listening to the concerns of the people.....hence all this 'cutting immigration' and 'taking back control'
So if they really are concerned, then surely they should be looking to get rid of the ones here. i mean, if they aren't because the companies are putting the pressure on to want them, then I guess they aren't going to reduce the numbers coming in the future either then?
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People are being denied visas and entry when they meet all the requirements though. the article in OP shows a very unfair move and an incredible lack of decency
I get that there are a lot of "colleges" that are basically a gateway for people to enter the country. My issue is using a sledgehammer isn't the right way to fix the issue. They should really concentrate on shutting down the dodgy colleges.
Why?
We have a massive issue of overcrowding, we are full. These people are just a drain on our resources and bring no benefit to our economy. So it seems a bit ridiculous to suggest we will keep this unsustainable position due to our 'old fashioned sense of fair play' lol
If you were running a business with that attitude you would go bust.
So we need to make space for our own people to breed, we need to get these people out so we can all benefit more from the taxes we and our forefathers have paid, not to be squandered on bending over backwards pandering to the needs of these parasites.
Right?
You're waffling now.
Your original point was that we need the numbers because there aren't enough UK students.
I pointed out medical courses are over subscribed so it's not a shortage of numbers.
You changed it to they subsidise UK students. I've pointed out how sensible planning by the government/nhs could render this unnecessary.
You've now changed to 'think of the children!'.
Your original point was that we need the numbers because there aren't enough UK students.
I pointed out medical courses are over subscribed so it's not a shortage of numbers.
You changed it to they subsidise UK students. I've pointed out how sensible planning by the government/nhs could render this unnecessary.
You've now changed to 'think of the children!'.
I would say that a good old fashioned sense of British decency and fair play doesn't really seem to be in evident much at the moment.
.How long have they promised to cut numbers and then haven't? Think that says it all really!
That's because for the last 20 or so years "decency and fair play" seems to have meant letting yourself be walked all over by other countries. We've had enough of that thank you very much
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It's been too bloody evident, this is what people were sniggering about. This is "taking back control".
As someone above said, the student visa system has been grossly abused and we also need to shut down the dodgy colleges set up purely as a gateway for illegal aliens to use.
In fairness that's still better than the Labour idea of university for everyone who wants to go.
Tony Blair convincing an entire generation of people that would previously have become tradesmen that they should get a degree in waster courses has done almost irreparable damage to this country.
Save your misguided nationalistic rhetoric for someone who will listen to it.
You're right about dodgy colleges, but this is clearly ill thought out and won't punish just these, will it?
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err so i can only assume that you're opposed to universities having grade requirements?
as you know then "not everyone who wants to go" can?
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My original point was that UK students dont pay enough compared to the cost, THAT is why our courses are limited, because we cannot afford the resources to teach them. Foreign students fill the gap, the more foreign students we have, the more UK students we can afford to subsidise.
The think of the children was a reference to these fresh out of college kids being denied their chance to study here when they have the brains and money and we need them.
No amount of planning can render this unnecessary with our tiny budgets. the NHS cost money to run and students cost money to teach and train, local students cost far more to train than they pay. Simple as that. You say subsidise students further but with what money? The government wont go that route, caps are being raised continuously, just 8 years ago the maximum cost of university tuition was limited to a third of what it costs now for domestic students. With the cost of medical training being far higher than what domestic students actually pay and the government only showing signs of passing the cost to the students, your idea that they will suddenly fill the financial gap foreign students leave AND pay for training medical that the domestic students cant afford is laughable. Where is this money going to come from, the already struggling NHS? Lolplease, that will just lead to more agency hires to fill the gap and an astronomical NHS bill which will lead to the selling of the NHS before the first generation of subsidised junior doctors even pass.
You assume incorrectly. Someone being denied because they/their family cannot afford the money to go is a far cry from not having the intellect and prerequisite knowledge required to learn. The former is not equal opportunity, the latter is - because they had the opportunity to go but didn't cut the mustard.
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