Caporegime
Neither outcome is relevant. Basic physics. Think about it.
"Hundreds" of Met Police armed response officers hand in the weapons after colleague charged with murder - Chris Kaba Shooting aftermath.
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Neither outcome is relevant. Basic physics. Think about it.
Soldato
Disgusting from the IOPC and the CPS, just disgusting. Clearly politically driven by the very top. The only real, fair result. Poor defendant. Risked his own life protecting others and had to endure all of this rubbish. Shame on those who reviewed the initial case.
I hope he writes a book and makes millions.
I hope he writes a book and makes millions.
Happy for you to explain it to me
Well, now the bodycam footage is public and with jury reaching such a quick verdict, it would seem one of these two scenarios was far more likely and all the officers handing in their tickets were probably bang on the money.
Caporegime
First of all, you're assuming the officer in a position to fire could see the tyres. The officers in front almost certainly couldn't.
Secondly the tyres on that car are almost certainly run flats. So you've just taken a shot with a chance of ricochet on a tyre that will still keep going when punctured.
Thirdly cars don't just suddenly become immobile when you shoot out a tyre. They have momentum. Wheels and tyres still grip when flat to allow acceleration even if the car is stationary. Especially with run flats.
Thank you! See why couldn't you just have said that from the start
At the first point - irrelavent, of course it was an assumption. I wouldn't be asking why they couldn't shoot the tyres if they I had assumed they could in no way see them.
Second point - I hadn't thought of run flats at all. Fair point. Why do you think the tyres would almost certainly be run flats though?
Third point - I'll take your word about run flats* then it'll not do much. The car however didn't have much momentum, it had stopped and was trying to ram its way out. As I said before, my assumption would be flat tyres (again assumption being completely flat) would provide less traction to do so against cars with intact tyres. I'm not expecting the car to suddenly stop moving with flat tyres, I was expecting the boxed in cars to be able to 'restrain' the car.
*For note - I've no experience with run flat tyres, so don't have any idea how they handle.
Caporegime
Thank you! See why couldn't you just have said that from the start
At the first point - irrelavent, of course it was an assumption. I wouldn't be asking why they couldn't shoot the tyres if they I had assumed they could in no way see them.
Second point - I hadn't thought of run flats at all. Fair point. Why do you think the tyres would almost certainly be run flats though?
Third point - I'll take your word about run flats* then it'll not do much. The car however didn't have much momentum, it had stopped and was trying to ram its way out. As I said before, my assumption would be flat tyres (again assumption being completely flat) would provide less traction to do so against cars with intact tyres. I'm not expecting the car to suddenly stop moving with flat tyres, I was expecting the boxed in cars to be able to 'restrain' the car.
*For note - I've no experience with run flat tyres, so don't have any idea how they handle.
The tyres would almost certainly be runflats because of the make, model and manufacturing year of the car.
Even a stationary car with flat tyres will shift.
Yeah, watching the footage it's kinda ridiculous it even went to trial, woke CPS and authorities worried about some BLM rent-a-mob types causing chaos. I guess London-wide riots have been started previously after a violent gangster gets shot by the police.
Of course, Corbyn joined a protest:
Chris Kaba shooting: Jeremy Corbyn joins protest against ‘inherently racist’ police
Hundreds of people condemned the Metropolitan Police as “inherently racist” during a demonstration outside New Scotland Yard amid rising anger over the death of Chris Kaba, who was fatally shot by a firearms officer. Jeremy Corbyn, the former Labour Party leader, and Bell Ribeiro-Addy, the Labour MP
www.thetimes.com
...and Khan did some virtue signalling:
Fair enough.
OK, my experience of attempting to bash my way past police with both inflated or flat tyres are zero.
Also never run a car with flat tyres, so assumed it'd grip less.
TIL
I'd say that was more than virtue signalling.
Caporegime
The jury came to the verdict in 3 hours. Sounds like it took them no time at all to see sense.
If you don't want shooting by the police, here's a top tip, if an armed officer stands in front of your car and shouts stop and put your hands up, DON'T put your hands up and then try and run him over in a brazen attempt to evade the police at any cost. If you're innocent, then comply, put your hands up and do as you're told and you won't get shot.
I'm not defending police brutality, I've seen plenty of videos in the US for example where they've been shot for absolutely no reason and the people blamed for Swatting at the people that call the police - not the police officers who murdered people for no reason. The UK does have its examples, just less than the US. john charles de menezes was innocent and was shot by a trigger happy police officer This is not that.
As for the ones saying "couldn't you shoot his tyres out" - this wasn't just about stopping him getting away. You can see just before he's shot an officer goes in front of the car to confront him head on, and he continues to try and ram the car forwards and obviously has no intention of stopping and was just going to run him over. That's when the fatal shot was taken
If you don't want shooting by the police, here's a top tip, if an armed officer stands in front of your car and shouts stop and put your hands up, DON'T put your hands up and then try and run him over in a brazen attempt to evade the police at any cost. If you're innocent, then comply, put your hands up and do as you're told and you won't get shot.
I'm not defending police brutality, I've seen plenty of videos in the US for example where they've been shot for absolutely no reason and the people blamed for Swatting at the people that call the police - not the police officers who murdered people for no reason. The UK does have its examples, just less than the US. john charles de menezes was innocent and was shot by a trigger happy police officer This is not that.
As for the ones saying "couldn't you shoot his tyres out" - this wasn't just about stopping him getting away. You can see just before he's shot an officer goes in front of the car to confront him head on, and he continues to try and ram the car forwards and obviously has no intention of stopping and was just going to run him over. That's when the fatal shot was taken
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I don't disagree with de-escalation TBH. But if the footage could have been released before hand I do think a lot would have had a very different stance.
I mean, these to me are neither here nor there. I think there's enough feeling (rightly or wrongly) that the police do not police fairly. As such I see no issues with those, however, it depends on if they'd had seen the footage. Hindsight is great, but if you have no information to go off it's easy to see why people would be concerned and angered by someone being shot by the police. From memory, the moment things were telling were, IIRC, how the family went quiet after being shown the footage.Of course, Corbyn joined a protest:
Chris Kaba shooting: Jeremy Corbyn joins protest against ‘inherently racist’ police
Hundreds of people condemned the Metropolitan Police as “inherently racist” during a demonstration outside New Scotland Yard amid rising anger over the death of Chris Kaba, who was fatally shot by a firearms officer. Jeremy Corbyn, the former Labour Party leader, and Bell Ribeiro-Addy, the Labour MP
...and Khan did some virtue signalling:
The only thing that stands out from what Khan said was that his death had a huge impact on Londoners. As a Londoner it had almost zero impact on me, and I don't think anyone else I know was impacted. Everything else he said in those tweets seems fine.
He was shot in the head. Though he said he was aiming for the chest.
Edit: Having a look at the video again, lucky purple wasn't injured by the shot.
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Caporegime
I'll edit my post then. Must have misread that.
Indeed, what's the point of even having armed police if they aren't allowed to shoot dangerous gang members trying to run them over (after giving him plenty of opportunities to surrender)?!
Madness.
Those signs are the standard rent-a-mob/Socialist Worker Party signs I think, they turn up at any leftist protest and hand out that sort of stuff with a relevant slogan etc.