Hungarian Grand Prix 2014, Hungaroring Race - 11/19

Tin foil hat on( did anyone notice the way Lewis walked away from the car? and can you remember the last time he did it?) tin foil hat off.

No word on the car but I hope they got it working...............this time.
 
deuse said:
Tin foil hat on( did anyone notice the way Lewis walked away from the car? and can you remember the last time he did it?) tin foil hat off.

No word on the car but I hope they got it working...............this time.
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For those of us that dont, when was that and what was the significance, my memory aint that great.
 
Glaucus said:
Probability is not luck, luck does not exist. He isn't having good or bad luck. Everything has happened for a reason.
Why the hell do people talk like luck is an actual thing.
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From a top-down, mathematical and purely logical point of view you're right. There is no luck and everything has a cause and effect. However, I would argue that probability and luck are two sides of the same coin when considered from an individual's point of view.

Say you take ten people and randomly select nine of them to receive a fiver. Everyone knows the probability of winning/losing. Everyone knows someone has to lose. That doesn't stop that particular individual from being the 'unlucky' one.

I would go further and suggest that there's a direct correlation between the probability and luck. If something good happens to you but has a very low probability of happening (like wining the lottery) then it's more 'lucky' from an individual's perspective than something good happening to you with a high probability of happening.

This is also true of bad luck and we're seeing it with Hamilton at the moment. The probability of all his failures happening to him as they have so far this season must be infinitesimally small and yet they have happened; so he's been extremely unlucky.

FrankJH said:
Or destiny...... (which is exactly the opposite of luck, as its pre-ordained /always going to happen whether known about or not)
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I do wonder whether Glaucus is using luck and fate/destiny interchangeably.

I don't believe in pre-ordained destiny but as you say, that's fundamentally different to luck.
 
One of Brundle's favourite phrases used to be "you make your own luck". He doesn't come out with that one much any more.


deuse said:
Just no. If Lewis had pushed his car harder the Nico then his fuel use would be higher. It's not it's lower. But you could say that about the old V8.
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I'm fairly sure Nico prefers to start with more fuel than Hamilton, as every single time it's shown his is higher, even if he's cruising to an easy win, such as at Hockenheim.
 
BlizzardX said:
Why would Nico though? Extra fuel beyond what is reasonably needed adds extra weight to the chassis and adds a time penalty per lap and additional stress through the tyres.
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In a pure robotic sense, yes, but that's not how it works when you add humans into the equation. We're not talking about an extra lap's worth of fuel or anything, just little bit extra.

Nico clearly prefers to use a teeny bit more fuel and the team are obviously comfortable with that.



deuse said:
It's already known that Nico can't coast into corners like Lewis can. It's as simple as that.
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So Hamilton, charging his way through the field and having to drive extremely hard to do so, is coasting into corners and using less fuel more than the guy cruising up front in the clear air and under no pressure whatsoever at all? This isn't NASCAR.
 
this_is_gav said:
In a pure robotic sense, yes, but that's not how it works when you add humans into the equation. We're not talking about an extra lap's worth of fuel or anything, just little bit extra.

Nico clearly prefers to use a teeny bit more fuel and the team are obviously comfortable with that.
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But then if that is the case then Nico's car would be working harder as he would have to drive the car to the limit more than Hamilton as the car is simply slower. Given how much difference a single litre of fuel can make at the beginning of a race, I personally would be surprised if Nico carried any extra.
 
this_is_gav said:
So Hamilton, charging his way through the field and having to drive extremely hard to do so, is coasting into corners and using less fuel more than the guy cruising up front in the clear air and under no pressure whatsoever at all? This isn't NASCAR.
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If you would have watched the last race Lewis WAS using more fuel until he was in 3rd place then he coasted.
And Lewis ended up using less fuel then NIco. And it doesn't matter if your in the lead if you can't coast fast in to corners your going to use more fuel.

Just watch this race and see. It's not hard to understand.
 
deuse said:
If you would have watched the last race Lewis WAS using more fuel until he was in 3rd place then he coasted.
And Lewis ended up using less fuel then NIco. And it doesn't matter if your in the lead if you can't coast fast in to corners your going to use more fuel.

Just watch this race and see. It's not hard to understand.
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I actually skimmed through before posting on this. On lap 36, with Hamilton having only just got into third he had used 0.02 litres less per lap average than Rosberg.

Fact. Either Hamilton is leaving too much fuel in the tank at the end of a race, Nico is starting with more or the figures are wrong. I don't know for definite which is true, possibly even a combination of all three, but I know which is more likely.

I thought I was on your ignore list anyway?
 
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Jono8 said:
Because it is.
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Just oh god.

So you wear lucky garments and symbols do you? Thinking they make a difference?
Historically luck has always ,eant something supernatural and not probability. Luck just doesn't expat, it's not a thing.
 
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Glaucus said:
Just oh god.

So you wear lucky garments and symbols do you? Thinking they make a difference?
Historically luck has always ,eant something supernatural and not probability. Luck just doesn't expat, it's not a thing.
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You may as well call it luck as you can't measure or control all the parameters that cause the event
 
this_is_gav said:
Fact. Either Hamilton is leaving too much fuel in the tank at the end of a race, Nico is starting with more or the figures are wrong. I don't know for definite which is true, possibly even a combination of all three, but I know which is more likely.
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There is a straight NIco goes down it then comes to a corner but he still uses the engine going around it.

Lewis goes down the same straight but by the time he comes to the corner he is going in to it faster then Nico.
Lewis then uses a bit of coasting+brakes around the corner. Thus saving fuel.

Bottas drives the same. I done here.

Need more rain.
 
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