Hungarian Grand Prix 2014, Hungaroring Race - 11/19

Smr, why not Lewis, Damon, Nigel, James, John, Mike, Graham, Jim or Jackie?

Random trivia, half of all British F1 champions names start with J...
 
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Must have been quite a shunt to require McLaren to change Magnussens chassis.

I wonder what order they will start in? I assume Magnussen in front of Lewis as he would be ahead if they started on the grid (Magnussen 10th and Lewis 21st)?
 
I hear the Mercedes was trying to one up the new NSX :p


Screwing up qualifying like he did at Silverstone is fair enough as that was totally his fault, but ending up way down the grid because his brakes fail or his car catches fire in qualifying isn't.

Doesn't his team mate have the same car? So if Lewis is having brake problems and engine problems, etc etc and the other guy isn't doesn't that just mean that while Lewis is driving great he's simply wrecking the car in the process?


Well, that's F1. Unfortunately, these things happen. Titles aren't solely won on driver skill and never will be, luck plays a part in everything in life.

And "the car" plays a much bigger role than skill or luck (with the obvious exception of 1976 ofc).
 
What's luck. Hammy decided to use brembo even though there had been several failings in pre season testing, as for the other brake failure, he was in traffic, had more rear brake bias. Etc. No such thing as luck.

The last few seasons, it seem the leading team has run much narrower safety margins, if you're at the front you are fine. If you are in the pack, the gremlins come out.
For one reason and another, LH has had to push that car much harder, just like Webber has the last few years.

lH **** up last race, really put some mileage in that car.
 
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Who knows, the thing is about the bad luck of it, is that not only is Hamilton screwed for this race, but if the engine is damaged beyond repair, it means he's one step closer to needing a 6th engine by the end of the season. AFAIK he was on the third engine, meaning if it's dead then he will have opened up a 4th now and has a long long way to go, with some tough races on engines like Monza in between.

So well, lets just say there is now a much higher chance that Hamilton will take a 10 position(iirc?) grid penalty for a new engine before the end of the year than Rosberg. It will be very tough to beat Rosberg unless he starts having similarly bad luck.

Of course, it's possible they'd use a new engine because it was damaged but can be fixed, just not there and then and in time for tomorrow.

Hamilton needs a minor miracle to lose less than 10 more points to Rosberg tomorrow. A extremely luckily timed pit stop with a safety car, and maybe rain thrown in for good measure and he could jump 15 places in a lap.

But seeing how his luck is, expect him to stay out for a lap then inches past the pit lane entrance the clouds open up, he's out there longer than anyone in the rain and loses multiple positions instead.... sounds significantly more likely.
 
he could do with starting in a grid slot rather than the pits, he can take 4 or 5 cars in the first few corners, in the pits he will have to catch the pack first.


unless it rains and he can favour a wet setup
 
What's luck. Hammy decided to use brembo even though there had been several failings in pre season testing, as for the other brake failure, he was in traffic, had more rear brake bias. Etc. No such thing as luck.

Loads of cars use Brembo's and Hamilton can only go by what his team tell him. If they tell him Brembo's are fine and multiple other teams use them, you can't just blame Hamilton. What about the times he's used them and they've been fine. Also if you think no Carbon industries or the other ones, hitco's(or something like that) don't fail you're mad. It's bad luck, he had 3 brake pads that didn't fail, one was likely a manufacturing fault that couldn't be detected.

Red Bull use I believe only Brembo.

Doesn't his team mate have the same car? So if Lewis is having brake problems and engine problems, etc etc and the other guy isn't doesn't that just mean that while Lewis is driving great he's simply wrecking the car in the process?
And "the car" plays a much bigger role than skill or luck (with the obvious exception of 1976 ofc).

Yeah, Hamilton blew an engine, on an outlap, via aggressive driving. Sounding more like his side of the garage might have a mistake prone mechanic in reality. Things fail, it's that simple.

The first failure in Australia was a spark plug cover, a piece of plastic that had an unknown fracture in it, it cost €2, and was absolutely bad luck. it's basic and simple and cost him 1/6th of his power from the start. Nothing to do with Hamilton at all.

The Canada situation, maybe that one corner that Rosberg simply cheated and cut was the difference between his brakes failing and not, maybe the marginally longer pitstop. Both engines had a kers failure at effectively the same time. Had Rosberg being following Hamilton it may have been his brakes that failed.
 
Ah yes luck. That tangible thing. Oh wait luck does not exist.

Brembo have a higher failure rate. This isn't luck. It is what it is. Each team has their own brembo pads specifically designed and made, cars don't have same cooling etc.

That engine mine also been the same as last race, in which case it's been pushed far harder than any of rosbergs engines.

There simply isn't anything called luck. Things happen for one reason or another, be it a mistake, extra wear and tear or what ever.

It's not bad luck he got a defect spark plug bit, it's a defective manufactured part.
 
Ah yes luck. That tangible thing. Oh wait luck does not exist.

Brembo have a higher failure rate. This isn't luck. It is what it is. Each team has their own brembo pads specifically designed and made, cars don't have same cooling etc.

That engine mine also been the same as last race, in which case it's been pushed far harder than any of rosbergs engines.

There simply isn't anything called luck. Things happen for one reason or another, be it a mistake, extra wear and tear or what ever.

It's not bad luck he got a defect spark plug bit, it's a defective manufactured part.

Complete drivel...
 
Complete drivel...

Goof debating skills. You saying luck exists? Care to prove it?
You saying running in the pack which LH has had to do far more than Romberg hasn't put extra stress on most components?
You saying brembos don't have a higher failure rate? Stats show otherwise.
 
Goof debating skills. You saying luck exists? Care to prove it?
You saying running in the pack which LH has had to do far more than Romberg hasn't put extra stress on most components?
You saying brembos don't have a higher failure rate? Stats show otherwise.

No no no no no. This is Locky remember, LEWIS HAS ALL TEH BAD LUCK1!!!!1~!1!!

That's about all you're gonna get.
 
Unbelievable! :( Well that's it then, Rosberg is the WDC. Nothing more to see here..

Hamilton again!!!! Oh dear god. Disaster on this track. This championship is seriously over.

Some of you lot are bonkers. We are what, half way through the season? With Hamilton a handful of points behind Rosberg? Get a grip, there is a hell of a way to go yet...
 
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