Hungarian Grand Prix 2014, Hungaroring Race - 11/19
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Who said anything about to aggressive.
If you run in the pack and your team mate is out in front. Your car will have far more strain.
Soldato
I've no idea what caused the leak of fuel, but it surely wasn't the engine itself, and any ancillary parts (pump, pipes, etc) were sure to be changed either before Friday running or this morning.
It's a good thing the two recent failings he's had (that weren't his fault) have happened qualifying, otherwise he'd be much further back.
Taking out this failure (as we don't know the outcome of the race yet), he's barely lost out at all to Nico in the recent mess-ups, as Nico's failure came in the race and he lost all points. It could be far worse for Hamilton. And with potential storms tomorrow, who knows...
In sport (and also in life), you make your own luck.
Its no surprise that the drivers who tend to win many titles are not only lucky, but also great championship drivers. Many say Vettel got very lucky in the last 4 years. Same goes for MSc (when he was winning). Same for Senna (when he was winning).
You make your own luck.
The problem for Hamilton is not his bad luck. But Nico's intelligence. Nico realises that Hamilton is faster, but as we saw in Monaco, Nico knows exactly how to negate Hamilton's speed. Prost was exactly the same - not the absolute fastest, but very intelligent and would put in work on and off the track to ensure he beat those around him.
Oh and Hamilton fans should not be too disheartened. He can quite easily win 4 races in a row and close the gap.
As for McLaren - these guys are waiting for something. They are going absolutely nowhere and they appear to be quite content. I just dont know what they are waiting for.
Ferrari - these guys are a laughing stock, especially when you consider their huge budget.
Without Alonso, I think they would struggle to make the top 10.
Every week Ferrari employees should have a worship Alonso day, because if he leaves, they are absolutely done for. I dont live in Italy but I imagine Ferrari must be coming under serious flack.
RBR - there is definitely progress being made here. And typically RBR come back strong after the Summer break, so Spa, should be very interesting. Could Vettel get his first win?
For tomorrow's race, I think Rosberg will either win or have a DNF.
Its no surprise that the drivers who tend to win many titles are not only lucky, but also great championship drivers. Many say Vettel got very lucky in the last 4 years. Same goes for MSc (when he was winning). Same for Senna (when he was winning).
You make your own luck.
The problem for Hamilton is not his bad luck. But Nico's intelligence. Nico realises that Hamilton is faster, but as we saw in Monaco, Nico knows exactly how to negate Hamilton's speed. Prost was exactly the same - not the absolute fastest, but very intelligent and would put in work on and off the track to ensure he beat those around him.
Oh and Hamilton fans should not be too disheartened. He can quite easily win 4 races in a row and close the gap.
As for McLaren - these guys are waiting for something. They are going absolutely nowhere and they appear to be quite content. I just dont know what they are waiting for.
Ferrari - these guys are a laughing stock, especially when you consider their huge budget.
Without Alonso, I think they would struggle to make the top 10.
Every week Ferrari employees should have a worship Alonso day, because if he leaves, they are absolutely done for. I dont live in Italy but I imagine Ferrari must be coming under serious flack.
RBR - there is definitely progress being made here. And typically RBR come back strong after the Summer break, so Spa, should be very interesting. Could Vettel get his first win?
For tomorrow's race, I think Rosberg will either win or have a DNF.
Soldato
Well **** the bed, you managed to reply to one of my posts without trying to insult me, go you batman. You're still trying to be a smartarse though, but it's a start...
Soldato
Oh the old cliche 'in life you make your own luck', what a crock of turd. How does brake failure, or your car going on fire qualify as YOU making your own luck?
Seriously get real, how can Hamiltons bad luck be classed as nico being more intelligent? Are you telling everyone here that Nicos intelligence will have more of an impact than Hamiltons bad luck, ensuring he starts from the back for two races in a row? Seriously? Would you like to enlighten us all as to when Nicos 'intelligence' forced Hamilton to start from the back of the grid?
I sit back and await your interesting answer
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Woah, steady there Obi-Wan Kenobi!
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Oh the old cliche 'in life you make your own luck', what a crock of turd. How does brake failure, or your car going on fire qualify as YOU making your own luck?
Seriously get real, how can Hamiltons bad luck be classed as nico being more intelligent? Are you telling everyone here that Nicos intelligence will have more of an impact than Hamiltons bad luck, ensuring he starts from the back for two races in a row? Seriously? Would you like to enlighten us all as to when Nicos 'intelligence' forced Hamilton to start from the back of the grid?
I sit back and await your interesting answer
They are talking gibberish. Intelligence, Rosberg getting trounced 4 on the trot so he cheats in qualifying. That isn't intelligence, anyone could cheat, cheating isn't difficult or intelligent. Everyone up and down the grid thought he cheated, the stewards thought he cheated but the stewards couldn't PROVE he cheated.
he also cheated so some degree at Canada. In what way did he use his intelligence to cause failures on Hamilton's car, because on track one vs one he's failed to beat Hamilton on track this year.
Hamilton and Rosberg have both lost 25 points from the lead. Then Hamilton either lost 18 points at Canada or what looked to almost everyone like 25 points as he was significantly faster than Rosberg, with Rosberg cheating to stay ahead. Rosberg has lost between 25-32 points, 32 points if you assume he would have won Canada, 25 points if you think he would have come second anyway.
Hamilton then lost for me 17 points to Rosberg last weekend, remember had Hamilton won he'd have 10 more points but Rosberg would also have had 7 less. Similar situation is almost certain to occur tomorrow Rosberg gains 7 points Hamilton loses between 7(if exceptionally lucky) and 25.
For me hamilton has had 67 points lost to Rosberg from his existing 3 failures, with up to 25 more lost tomorrow due to a failure. Rosberg lost 25 points from one failure.
Hell, even that presumes Rosberg would have won at Silverstone... Hamilton was significantly faster again with a long way to go before his gearbox issue, it wasn't a certainty that Rosberg would have won, though pretty likely.
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Just because you can identify the cause of something happening doesn't negate the bad (or good) luck that it generates for those involved.
Knowing why a plane crashed doesn't stop everyone on board being **** out of luck that they were on that particular flight.
Unless an outcome is the result of an informed and conscious decision by the individual(s) involved then there is an element of chance / luck to that outcome.
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Simple fact is that the faulty spark plug cover could just as easily have been installed on the other car, or been packaged at the factory in another box which ended up on Rosberg's car, or another Merc engine using car(if they use the same part which you'd expect they would). It's unlucky that it happened to be used on Hamilton's car.
Unless someone thinks Rosberg went and used an ultrasound, or xray or, something to check for manufacturing faults on the spark plugs on his car, and that Hamilton was lazy and didn't bother, then yes, it's bad luck that his race was ended over something he had absolutely no control over.
Unless someone thinks Rosberg went and used an ultrasound, or xray or, something to check for manufacturing faults on the spark plugs on his car, and that Hamilton was lazy and didn't bother, then yes, it's bad luck that his race was ended over something he had absolutely no control over.
Probability is not luck, luck does not exist. He isn't having good or bad luck. Everything has happened for a reason.
Why the hell do people talk like luck is an actual thing.
Given the pace of the car he should be 1/2 dozen places to the good by the end of the first lap anyway - not sure it would make that much difference even on a tight track like Hungary (unless it rains of course)
Or destiny...... (which is exactly the opposite of luck, as its pre-ordained /always going to happen whether known about or not)
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Stop talking about luck you bunch of leprechauns. It's motorsport, **** happens.
Soldato
Just no. If Lewis had pushed his car harder the Nico then his fuel use would be higher. It's not it's lower. But you could say that about the old V8.
And about the word Luck.
It's used as a factor beyond one's control, without regard to one's will, intention, or desired result.
Where's knip? start dancing girl..use the pole the LOT
Because it is.
Soldato
It won't happen though as massa is on a multi year deal at Williams, plus its too much of a risk. Just look at the difference between the car in 2012 and 2013. Who is to say that won't happen again.
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Just no. If Lewis had pushed his car harder the Nico then his fuel use would be higher. It's not it's lower. But you could say that about the old V8.
And about the word Luck.
It's used as a factor beyond one's control, without regard to one's will, intention, or desired result.
Where's knip? start dancing girl..use the pole the LOT
Excellent post.
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I see that Mercedes PETRONAS are getting loads of stick for 2 days now. Even Toto has even started
posting to try and calm down the Lewis fans. Not a chance. I bet Merc liked it when they only had 1.5mil people posting. Now they have 7.5 mil
That's 6 million angry Lewis Hamilton fans to deal with.
posting to try and calm down the Lewis fans. Not a chance. I bet Merc liked it when they only had 1.5mil people posting. Now they have 7.5 mil
That's 6 million angry Lewis Hamilton fans to deal with.