Hungarian Grand Prix 2014, Hungaroring Race - 11/19

Purdy said:
He would have? He couldn't get past Hamilton, I don't see him getting past Alonso, or Hamilton, Alonso and Riccardo all for a second time

I'm not confused, they were simply wrong to do so, he didn't have the pace to be on his arse, absolutely no reason to move over for a driver struggling to get into a half decent overtaking position. Hamilton could've done the same if he's in front of Nico
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On much newer tyres its a lot easier seeing the Merc getting past the dog that is the Ferrari (even with Alonso at the wheel) than getting past anyone else in the same car (even on worse tyres)


Even without hindsight I think McLaren messed up their 1st stop massively.

At the end of the day they were competing with DR in his RBR (at that point of the race) , at the very least do split strategies on the two cars so you cover both eventualities rather than hoping for more rain that always looked 15% chance of arriving at best.

Dont think McLaren could have won the race, but imo they could have got at least 10 points more than they did (and have been that far ahead of FI in the constructors)
 
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justbeats said:
Perhaps they got Hamilton in case Rosberg totally sucked, getting a cheaper lesser driver therefore would have meant Merc win nothing in that scenario. And, Merc didn't know for a fact that their car would be so quick so nothing was a given.

Edit - In regards to them favouring Rosberg, I disagree, and Merc telling Hamilton to let Rosberg through pretty much shows that. They were both racing for position, if Rosberg was on a different strategy that's his problem. Maybe they should have asked Alonoso to let him by aswell so Rosberg can just cruise out front every race like it's his god given right to do so.
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Baboonanza said:
When they hired Hamilton they wouldn't have been sure they'd be so far ahead. In hindsight it actually shows a real lack of faith in Rosberg that they felt the need for Hamilton to make sure of the championship. To me it looks like they thought Rosberg might not be good enough to get the WDC, got Hamilton, and now they've realised they've shot themselves in the foot :)

I also wonder what difference Brawn leaving could have made internally, it certainly seems like Hamilton has been less happy at the team since he left.

I'm not one for conspiracy theories but it seems entirely possible that there is some desire to have a German WDC (again, agh) for Merc, combined with Hamilton not getting on with the management so well.
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They knew full well ( and so did Hamilton) that their 2014 car was going to be quick ;)
 
what happened to williams? that car is a bit double sided - great on long straight tracks, awful on twisty ones... so singapore i expect they'll be hurt too... but monza and spa etc. they should be brilliant.
 
All this Nico vs Lewis is a bit silly and I'll tell you why.

Rosberg couldn't setup a car to save his life. He used Hamilton's setup from day one the same as Button did.
That's why Niki got Lewis at Merc because he knew he(Lewis) can set a car up like he(Niki) did years back.

At the end of 2015 Lewis may leave Merc and he can pick his team. I think he may well go to Ferrari.
 
deuse said:
All this Nico vs Lewis is a bit silly and I'll tell you why.

Rosberg couldn't setup a car to save his life. He used Hamilton's setup from day one the same as Button did.
That's why Niki got Lewis at Merc because he knew he(Lewis) can set a car up like he(Niki) did years back.

At the end of 2015 Lewis may leave Merc and he can pick his team. I think he may well go to Ferrari.
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Did he use Schumacher's setup before that? Can't imagine him using Webber and Wurz's setups at Williams
 
deuse said:
All this Nico vs Lewis is a bit silly and I'll tell you why.

Rosberg couldn't setup a car to save his life. He used Hamilton's setup from day one the same as Button did.
That's why Niki got Lewis at Merc because he knew he(Lewis) can set a car up like he(Niki) did years back.

At the end of 2015 Lewis may leave Merc and he can pick his team. I think he may well go to Ferrari.
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Hmm I still don't understand how Button copied Hamilton's car set up when they have completely different driving styles and prefer the car to behave in utterly different ways.

The start of 2012 was a difficult year for Jenson, for whatever reason, much like 2011 was difficult for Lewis, and at the European GP Mclaren decided to set Button's car up the same as Lewis to see where Jenson was going wrong.

Shortly after Jenson destroyed Lewis at Spa and Lewis got all butt hurt about it, so much so that he had to voice his disdain to the entire world by posting telemetry data - and that data clearly showed that Jenson had set the car up BETTER than Lewis.

That season Lewis won 4 races and Jenson won 3, and Jenson had a much stronger rest of the season - but Spa showed that Jenson, whilst he'd copied Lewis' setup at the European GP, didn't continue with that.

Like I say, he lost his way after winning Melbourne and needed to understand why... and I go back to my first point - it's well documented that both drivers have utterly different driving styles. Button is the smoothest driver on the grid, period. Lewis is naturally the most ragged... especially with all the down force from the blown diffuser (he's noticeably smoothed out his driving style this year to suit the new regs)... During 2010 - 2013 it would have been impossible for Jenson to drive to his smooth, understeery induced style with Lewis' preferred twitchy, oversteery car setup/balance.

Polar opposites basically. Lewis finished 2nd and Jenson finished 9th at the European GP anyway, so it obviously didn't work and they used a different approach for the rest of the season which did work.
 
Pigeon_Killer said:
The answer's clearly no if you support another driver and yes if you support Hamilton.

Give it 4 or 5 more races so Rosberg can build up a championship winning lead and then I'd expect them to favour him.
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So because I 'support' Hamilton that automatically translates to me saying there is a conspiracy theory?

:D
 
smr said:
Hmm I still don't understand how Button copied Hamilton's car set.
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For the last time, which of what jenson button said "I copied Lewis's setups" don't you understand?
You have been showed this on website more times then I want to remember. But you seam to be in denial.
 
deuse said:
For the last time, which of what jenson button said "I copied Lewis's setups" don't you understand?
You have been showed this on website more times then I want to remember. But you seam to be in denial.
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Whatever Trevor.
 
MooMoo444 said:
Why do you want that scenario, out of curiosity?
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If we're going to have the controversial 50 point win for the last race of the season I want to see it win one of them the title after being behind. Not saying I agree with it and I'd hate to be the driver coming second but from a neutral point of view it could really turn a heated battle in to pure hatred. Last lap battle winner takes all :cool:
 
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