Hungary Grand Prix 2011, Hungaroring Circuit - Race 11/19

englishpremier said:
Or when he went out ahead of Alonso in Hungary a few years ago and started the whole drama there.
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Hehehe.

That was a major drama which culminated in a US$100M fine, which is unprecedented. It ultimately led to Alonso leaving and Denis retiring from his role in F1.

It doesnt get any more major than that. IIRC, Hamilton also swore at Denis while he was in the car.
 
Maybe I just like the controversy but I feel when Lewis is raging at other drivers and stewards it's from the heart, when he's being nice and admitting fault for everything saying sorry to drivers he may have impeded - it's fake.

Jenson likes cake though, I trust him, if that's fake I'll be gutted :(
 
The_Abyss said:
You realise that is written by a Hollywood PR agent and he didn't say a word of it though, right?!
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Fixed ;)
Telescopi said:
Maybe I just like the controversy but I feel when Lewis is raging at other drivers and stewards it's from the heart, when he's being nice and admitting fault for everything saying sorry to drivers he may have impeded - it's fake.

Jenson likes cake though, I trust him, if that's fake I'll be gutted :(
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Completely agree - Lewis just doesnt translate well over on TV

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
I'm a fanboy so I can't add much but blind manlove for JB, but I fully believe that when JB is slower than his team mate during some phases of the race it's due to him managing his tyres. He always seems to have something in-hand when it counts. He's the modern Prost, and Hamilton is the modern Senna.

The main thing I took from this weekend is he finally found some pace in quali and had a great start. I hope it's not a one off!

It was great to see them both racing. Disappointing for Hamilton, a 1-2 either way would have been great after them racing wheel to wheel. I love how McLaren let them play like that. They're setting a great example for the sport.
 
Dup said:
either way would have been great after them racing wheel to wheel. I love how McLaren let them play like that. They're setting a great example for the sport.
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Only when it suits, they don't mind giving out team orders like all the rest.

I agree it was nice to see JB get a better qfy performance and start. Hopefully he can back this up with a wet win at spa ;)
 
McLaren let their boys race because they know there is only going to be one winner. ;)

Red Bull don't because they know Vettel's rubbish at it.
 
Dup said:
... I fully believe that when JB is slower than his team mate during some phases of the race it's due to him managing his tyres.
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How do your resolve the fact that Hamilton almost always beats Button on a dry track? If Button has anything in hand, why not beat Hamilton on the dry tracks, too?
 
sunama said:
How do your resolve the fact that Hamilton almost always beats Button on a dry track? If Button has anything in hand, why not beat Hamilton on the dry tracks, too?
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maybe you should answer why LH doesnt beat JB 100% of the time in all conditions IF LH is as good as most around here seem to think :D

Even after two very disappoointing results for JB (neither of which werre his fault, in some ways reminisent of Spa last season) he is still very close to LH in points - one 4th place finish - over 1/2 way through the season.

LH is considered the next coming (when he doesnt loose his head lol)- yet JB is thought of as an also ran (much like The Professor it has to be said)

Quite a polarising view



I did find it funny that LH apologised to the team for not making it a 1 - 2.....only because Im sure he was thinking to himself he still should have been the "1" while putting out the implication that he would be "2" to the "better driver on the day"
 
sunama said:
How do your resolve the fact that Hamilton almost always beats Button on a dry track? If Button has anything in hand, why not beat Hamilton on the dry tracks, too?
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I'm unsure. I get the feeling Button settles for the position he is in and plays the thinking mans game. He has however shown some ability to be aggressive and start chasing down other drivers and keep mistakes to a minimum. A lot say if Lewis had the strategy and smoothness of Button to go with his aggressive side we would have one of the greatest drivers on our hands. The way I see it at the moment, Button is gaining the risk taking side of Hamilton and making it work. Although at his age, it feels like too little too late.

Buttons downfalls are his Friday and Saturdays to be honest. He doesn't get the car hooked up to his pedantic driving style of not making mistakes or having to work the car hard, he likes to turn in once and keep it smooth. This makes him slower in quali if he doesn't find the missing tenths then ends up getting swamped on the starts on Sunday afternoon and loses time behind slower cars.


Both Lewis and Jenson are in a similar position points wise at the end of the day. They are two very different drivers in the same car and it works for them both. We've witnessed some stunning drives from both drivers, It's futile arguing who is best, just sit back and enjoy the racing.
 
FrankJH said:
maybe you should answer why LH doesnt beat JB 100% of the time in all conditions IF LH is as good as most around here seem to think :D
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Because, he does not have the cool head and the ability to think strategically, in the same way that Button can. Hamilton can drive fast. Probably the fastest. This works nicely on a dry track where the track conditions remain (almost) constant.

When you have rain/showers, the track is constantly changing. What this means is the driver has to be more conservative in his approach. He can't expect to do the same (fast) laptime, every time he laps. Also, add to this that during a wet race, you need to think strategically - Hamilton just doesnt seem to possess this skill.

The best strategic thinkers were MSc and Senna. I've not seen anyone make better strategic calls than these 2.

Hamilton is fast, but has to rely on McLaren's strategists (who are downright awful at their job), to make his strategy calls for him.
 
FrankJH said:
Even after two very disappoointing results for JB (neither of which werre his fault, in some ways reminisent of Spa last season) he is still very close to LH in points - one 4th place finish - over 1/2 way through the season.
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By the end of any season (remember you can't base your conclusion on 1, 2 or 5 races...you need a whole season), Button will only ever be able to finish 2nd to Hamilton.

And that my friend is why Hamilton is a better driver than Button.

Now if the whole season was wet, Button would most likely finish ahead of Hamilton, season after season and would then be classified as the better driver. In truth though, wet races are rare.
 
Dup said:
Both Lewis and Jenson are in a similar position points wise at the end of the day.
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At this point in the season yes, but by the end you should see Hamilton eek out a decent gap...similar to last season.

Also, don't forget Button is not exactly a chump. He isn't a Heikki. He is a former World Champ, with good race wins under his belt.

Hamilton will beat Button every year, but the gap won't be huge. When you pair 2 world champions, the margin of victory is very small. Take a look at when Alonso met Hamilton...they tied on points.

Don't expect to see either driver, beat the other, by a huge margin. This won't happen*.

*extraordinary circumstances, excepted
 
Lakeland said:
Interesting video on how the F1 production is put together, it's a lot more frantic than you think when you're watching it!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jakehumphrey/2010/09/what_its_like_being_an_f1_pres.html
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Great video, I guess JH, DC and EJ can't hear all the of the directors instructions, that would so put me off! I guess they just fade up the talk back when it's something they want each of them to know/hear. Not sure what Cam 3 was doing the whole time, very random!
 
wonder_lander said:
Great video, I guess JH, DC and EJ can't hear all the of the directors instructions, that would so put me off! I guess they just fade up the talk back when it's something they want each of them to know/hear. Not sure what Cam 3 was doing the whole time, very random!
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I remember either reading a blog from Jake or seeing some video from him where he said he can hear everything, himself, EJ + DC and the production office. EJ + DC can only hear themselves as Jake is the lead presenter.
 
wonder_lander said:
Great video, I guess JH, DC and EJ can't hear all the of the directors instructions, that would so put me off! I guess they just fade up the talk back when it's something they want each of them to know/hear. Not sure what Cam 3 was doing the whole time, very random!
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I think Cam 3 is probably just a backup in case one of the others fails.
 
The woman doing the counting is called the PA, her job is to count. That's "it", she will count into and out of EVERYTHING that is going on but usually that won't all go to the presenter . Then there will be someone on the vision mixer, someone on the sound desk, the director calling for the shots, the producer working their way through the rundown (the list of everything they are going to cover).

Glad you have got to see what goes on behind the scenes of live TV :) I say that from my Transmission Suite for a live TV station :p
 
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