I don't want a job

cjbagnall said:
Do you really believe that their are enough jobs for everyone to work? :rolleyes:
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No but of course its a knock on effect.
Take 100,000 people off the dole tomorrow and start them earning money and they start to pay for services, hence creating demand for more, which means a few more '000 people need to work to provide those services etc etc

Its the opposite to the waves of redundancies you saw a couple of years back, building was crippled so they laid off, then their supporting industries felt the pince so they laid off, then their suppliers, plus service industries etc etc.

Also the fewer people actually being paid benefits the less the demands vs those in work and paying to support those who aren't in work. If you suddenly had you tax bill cut by 50% what would you do? A fair few would start spending more which tadaa! increases demand and hence employment.

The quantative easing Labour were supporting was basically trying to do exactly this, but with public money. To reduce/stop the contraction and by spending get the demand to start going back up.

Whilst studying a **cough** few years ago I was reading about competative advantages of nations. Interestingly there was a point about Germany in the 80s and 90s, they had a very low dependancy culture since the war had devastated that generation, their average age and also dependancy ratio was much lower then the rest of Western Europe which was claimed gave them a competative advantage in lots of ways. I believe it was about now as in around Y2K - 2010 that situation was completely changed and they would be back to a much closer situation to the rest of Europe. Now I think about it, Germany doesn't seem the European powerhouse it once seemed.
 
Can any government stomach the consequences of seeing a family thrown out on the street and begging for food.

No.

Other than that it's not worth talking about. People have been playing the system since 17th century, it's not about to change now.
 
We should have a foreign exchange scheme for people like this.

There are billions of people who'd be overjoyed to come to Britain and work in a cake factory for £150 a week. Just chose a random guy from China working 12 hours a day for 50p, and exchange them with this useless lump of excrement.
 
jimbob27 said:
We should have a foreign exchange scheme for people like this.

There are billions of people who'd be overjoyed to come to Britain and work in a cake factory for £150 a week. Just chose a random guy from China working 12 hours a day for 50p, and exchange them with this useless lump of excrement.
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I'm sure the Chinese would be very keen on this idea, why didn't someone think of it before???
 
I'll take whatever job he refuses to do. I'm fed up of being at home, I'd be much happier with a job to go to every day.

Someone give me a job :/
 
Good lord what a pathetic life to lead. He should be made to work, although we then know he'd be doing a **** job.
 
I'm 19 and about to go back on JSA, I've been in and out of work several times over the last few years. When I do find something it's only a temporary position, Tbh I'd snap up any kind of work that came along at the moment. I'm considering doing some voluntary work just for a little more experience atm, It ****** me off every week when I had to go to the job centre and see the amount of people milking whatever benefits they can. I've sat there and heard some crazy excuses as to why they weren't looking for work and people are stupid enough to keep paying them.

I was working for Phones 4 U over christmas and some guy came in after a new Blackberry Torch on contract, final price came to I think 55 pounds a month. The manager had to ask if he was working and whether he was sure he could afford it, the guy basically bragged about how he got some ridiculous amount of money a week from JSA and other benifits. He then said to his mate "I've finally got something to do during the day", my manager just said "Why don't you just get a job?" at which point they both went very quiet.

The thing is it's so easy claim and get away with it, The first time I claimed I was told I had to write what jobs I'd applied for in a little diary which they would check, If there were no jobs listed in the diary I wouldn't get paid. I was curious and said "Oh, well how do you actually go about checking that I've applied for jobs" to which she replied "Well it's a matter of trust, we try to take your word that you've applied for the jobs which you've listed in the diary". So basically you can look up some jobs, write them in the diary and you will get paid.
 
IMO anyone on JSA should have to do 20-25 hours of community service. They could be doing anything from cleaning the streets to helping out in soup kitchens etc, as long as they are doing something to benefit society I don't mind.

also +1 to foodstamps
 
I am sorry to say that when you have street cleaning done by companies why do tha want untrained free resources, they invest in staff mainly due to Health and Safety rules, like the army they dont want people who couldnt give a dam if they upset a resident etc.
 
I know I'm taking up a new right perspective here but people who are 'able' to work should not be given welfare benefits only those who are unable to work should be given benefits. IMO we should remove these pointless benefits from people who are lazy to get a job - they are leeches on the country. We can tell who is able to get a job by their qualifications. People who are disabled should be given benefits.
 
trigger-happy said:
I know I'm taking up a new right perspective here but people who are 'able' to work should not be given welfare benefits only those who are unable to work should be given benefits. IMO we should remove these pointless benefits from people who are lazy to get a job - they are leeches on the country. We can tell who is able to get a job by their qualifications. People who are disabled should be given benefits.
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And what, hypothetically, would we do with people if all jobs were filled and there were still people out of work?
 
trigger-happy said:
there is no such thing as jobs being 'filled up' the government can create new jobs for the people. Businesses can be forced to hire more staff.
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Huh? You want to cut benefits, then want the government to create jobs for people? Or you want to force businesses to hire people regardless of whether they can remain profitable?

That's one of the most economically absurd posts in ages.
 
Why should we work? Yes I agree that people don't like paying for other people's benefits, but the fact remains that this is simply capitalism - more importantly, American Capitalism - that has forced this mandatory lifestyle upon everyone.

I'm sure there are some people that would rather go back to a time where life was simpler. Capitalism unfortunately segregates people, and I fully understand why some people feel no reason to support a system that does nothing for them. Minimum wage is akin to slave labour. Why should someone have to work at the bottom of the pile with no prospects so someone else can have near unlimited cash. I'm sure people would be happy to work, if things were more equal. This is never going to happen, so just accept that there are some people in the citizen base that we have to "look after" so the rest, whether rich or poor, can willingly or unwittingly live the current capitalistic lifestyle.
 
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vonhelmet said:
Huh? You want to cut benefits, then want the government to create jobs for people? Or you want to force businesses to hire people regardless of whether they can remain profitable?

That's one of the most economically absurd posts in ages.
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heh, you got me there bro, how the **** did this country get in a situation like this?
 
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