"I hate smokers" thread

[StonedPenguin]

Indeed - I hear cigarettes are quite nutritious too...

Nicotine: a deadly poison
Arsenic: used in rat poison
Methane: a component of rocket fuel
Ammonia: found in floor cleaner
Cadmium: used in batteries
Carbon Monoxide: part of car exhaust
Formaldehyde: used to preserve body tissue
Butane: lighter fluid
Hydrogen Cyanide: the poison used in gas chambers

All stuff a growing developing body needs, and not only that but smokers selflessly share the goodness with everyone around them. Their generosity is only exceeded by their consideration and vast reasoning powers.

Nicotine is nasty horrible stuff, It's a 100% proven fact that Nicotine is about 15x more harmful than Cannabis. Infact Cannabis has numerous healing properties about it, Cannabinoids have been found to help healing brain cells amoungst other things.

Yet we make this stuff illegal and Nicotine legal.... Fags kill 10,000's ppl every year, Cannabis kills 0, yes none.

 

[platypus]

Yet we make this stuff illegal and Nicotine legal.... Fags kill 10,000's ppl every year, Cannabis kills 0, yes none.

Not zero, but direct deaths are extremely low. However Cannabis is linked to plenty of other problems, not least pyschosis which can in turn lead to suicide.

 

[Columbo]

I truly worry when every now and then someone comes out with the extreme level of hatred of a fellow human because they either smoke, are fat or have BO. (lol)

Im 34 and just don't have the time to hate on a level so many of you, i must assume, pretend to. You should see someone about it if its actually true or take up a hobby. I like Fishing.

Life is so much nicer when you just get on with it.

Well said sir.

 

[StonedPenguin]

Not zero, but direct deaths are extremely low. However Cannabis is linked to plenty of other problems, not least pyschosis which can in turn lead to suicide.

Deaths as a results from directly smoking Cannabis are 0, You'd literally have to consume 1500lb of high THC ocntent canna in less than 15 minutes for it to become Toxic, There's a video about that somewhere.

Regardless of what the Daily Fail says, Cannabis doesn't cause Psychosis.

A previous study: pot doesn’t cause psychosis
In the face of some research published last year, I think the case for a causal link between smoking pot and developing psychotic symptoms requires some very strong evidence.

This study examined the medical records of 600,000 patients aged between 16 and 44, and failed to find any link between smoking pot and schizophrenia.

If smoking pot causes psychotic symptoms, massive increases in pot smoking within a population should correspond to an increase in psychosis.

A previous study found that pot smoking increased four-fold in the UK between 1972 and 2002 and 18 fold among under 18s. Now, if smoking pot causes psychosis, then we should expect to see an associated increase in the rates of psychosis.

But rather than finding an increase in psychotic symptoms, the authors found that the incidence was stable or declining.

That's just the tip of the iceberg, In recent years theres been so many studies into this and none of them have given substantial evidence of a link between canna and psychosis/schizophrenia.

It's all media-based boll**** which the goverments side with because BIG pharma companys (GW pharma) would lose billions if people could legally self medicate using thier own Cannabis.

Sorry for de-railing the thread a bit.

 

[platypus]

Deaths as a results from directly smoking Cannabis are 0, You'd literally have to consume 1500lb of high THC ocntent canna in less than 15 minutes for it to become Toxic, There's a video about that somewhere.

You don't supply much evidence, well, any. Lets have a look at the Government figures for deaths where Cannabis was mentioned as the cause of death on the death certificate. From the Office of National statistics, going back 5 years, though I can go further for you if you wish:

Cannabis

• 2005: 19
• 2006: 17
• 2007: 12
• 2008: 19
• 2009: 22
• 2010: 11

Cannabis with Alcohol (on the coroners report)

• 2005: 9
• 2006: 9
• 2007: 6
• 2008: 9
• 2009: 9
• 2010: 6

So as I said, not zero, but a very low occurence.

Regardless of what the Daily Fail says, Cannabis doesn't cause Psychosis.[/quote]I don't read the daily mail, I read enough scientific journals to know the links.

 

[Jonny69]

I don't hate smokers, but I can't argue against the fact that they stink. I hate the smell of them and I hate the smell of their smoke. I dislike it when they sit next to me on the train and stink of stale nicotine. It is as bad as BO to my nose and I'll often get up and move to get away from the smell.

I know the thread has moved on from this, but that is my opinion.

 

[StonedPenguin]

You don't supply much evidence, well, any. Lets have a look at the Government figures for deaths where Cannabis was mentioned as the cause of death on the death certificate. From the Office of National statistics, going back 5 years, though I can go further for you if you wish:

• 2005: 19
• 2006: 17
• 2007: 12
• 2008: 19
• 2009: 22
• 2010: 11

So as I said, not zero, but a very low occurence.

These were killed as a direct result from using Cannabis alone? I suspect Canna was found in thier system, Along with probably Alcohol or some other drug, Cannabis is a non-toxic substance therefor isnt fatal..

At present it is estimated that cannabis's LD-50 is around 1:20,000 or 1:40,000. In layman terms this means that in order to induce death a marijuana smoker would have to consume 20,000 to 40,000 time as much cannabis as is contained in one marijuana cigarette. NIDA-supplied marijuana cigarettes weigh approxi-mately .9 grams. A smoker would theoretically have to consume nearly 1,500 pounds of cannabis within about 15 minutes to induce a lethal response.

I don't read the daily mail, I read enough scientific journals to know the links.

From what I've read it seems Cannabis is fine for the majority of people, Just like Alcohol, Caffine etc, but those with previous underlying mental health problems should avoid it, It's certianly not for everyone just like, Caffine.

 

[Andy]

I hate cycling to work and being polluted/almost run over by all the cars on the road. I bet if they did a study they'd find drivers have a lower life expectancy.

If the tax wasn't so convenient for the govt then i'd say ban it. Oh wait//

 

[dazzerd]

Nicotine is nasty horrible stuff, It's a 100% proven fact that Nicotine is about 15x more harmful than Cannabis. Infact Cannabis has numerous healing properties about it, Cannabinoids have been found to help healing brain cells amoungst other things.

Yet we make this stuff illegal and Nicotine legal.... Fags kill 10,000's ppl every year, Cannabis kills 0, yes none.

Wrong nicotine is not thought to be physically harmful at all. In fact it is produced naturally in the body, the very reason why there are nicotine receptors in the brain for other sources of nicotine to bind too which starts an addiction. So check your facts.

The harmfull substances in tobacco are tar, formaldehyde, carbon monoxide, arsenic, cyanide and various other nasty substances. There are also various carcinogens in weed. It's rarely smoked pure so there hasn't been any long term studies to verify its effect on the body.

Common sense dictates that any substance you inhale into your lungs other than air is not going to be good for you so there really needs to be no debate on how much safer skoking weed is over tobacco.

 

[theipodkid]

I hate cycling to work and being polluted/almost run over by all the cars on the road. I bet if they did a study they'd find drivers have a lower life expectancy.

It sucks, I've tried riding on road once before and never again. To many idiot drivers out there.

 

[StonedPenguin]

Common sense dictates that any substance you inhale into your lungs other than air is not going to be good for you so there really needs to be no debate on how much safer skoking weed is over tobacco.

Most medical patients (and more and more recreational users) dont smoke Cannabis, They eat it, Drink it or make it into an oil/ointment. It's just as effective that way if not more effective than Smoking it.

So, Nicotine is fine, Untill they add all the **** to it to keep you addicted..

 

[Bloomfield]

Most medical patients (and more and more recreational users) dont smoke Cannabis, They eat it, Drink it or make it into an oil/ointment. It's just as effective that way if not more effective than Smoking it.

So, Nicotine is fine, Untill they add all the **** to it to keep you addicted..

They don't add stuff to nicotine to keep you addicted. Nicotine is the thing that's addictive...

 

[Col_M]

I can't say I hate smokers, I certainly don't like being around them when they are smelly but at the end of the day it's their choice, as long as they don't do it around others it's fine by me.

 

[D.P.]

I hate cycling to work and being polluted/almost run over by all the cars on the road. I bet if they did a study they'd find drivers have a lower life expectancy.

If the tax wasn't so convenient for the govt then i'd say ban it. Oh wait//

If you want to start a thread about driving then go for it, this is not the place. But I will make a few remarks.

For some people and companies driving is a necessity and with our current infrastructure and state of technology is a requirement. Smoking is not a requirement but an unnecessary risk. No one has to smoke.

For your information, I do not own a car and use public transport, car-share, walk or use a bike to get everywhere.

 

[platypus]

These were killed as a direct result from using Cannabis alone? I suspect Canna was found in thier system, Along with probably Alcohol or some other drug, Cannabis is a non-toxic substance therefor isnt fatal..

And all Cannabis is clean is it? I'm just quoting the coroner statistics. I'm sure the coroner knows more than you or I.

 

[Nitefly]

I wouldn't say I enjoy the smell of smoke, but I tend to forget to care when friends do it. I get much more annoyed when somebody isn't a nice person...!

 

[Andy]

If you want to start a thread about driving then go for it, this is not the place. But I will make a few remarks.

For some people and companies driving is a necessity and with our current infrastructure and state of technology is a requirement. Smoking is not a requirement but an unnecessary risk. No one has to smoke.

For your information, I do not own a car and use public transport, car-share, walk or use a bike to get everywhere.

I'd authorise it in certain circumstances, for logistics, emergencies, remote areas. It woulnt be efficient but i think it would be beneficial in the longrun.

The point i was making is with the current political system certain things will never get done. Legalisation of cannabis, forcibly reducing numbers of drivers on the road and banning smoking are all political taboos.

 

[UncleRuckus]

And all Cannabis is clean is it? I'm just quoting the coroner statistics. I'm sure the coroner knows more than you or I.

Nope not all clean, with bud etc some drug dealers add glass dust to it to add weight.

I have a life long friend whose life is ruined by the stuff, it triggered Schizophrenia; the poor bugger is on anti-psycotic drugs to try and make him feel normal, he hears voices in his head all the time and old friends have no time for him as he's quite hard work to be around because of his condition

 

[Andy]

Nope not all clean, with bud etc some drug dealers add glass dust to it to add weight.

I have a life long friend whose life is ruined by the stuff, it triggered Schizophrenia; the poor bugger is on anti-psycotic drugs to try and make him feel normal, he hears voices in his head all the time and old friends have no time for him as he's quite hard work to be around because of his condition

You assume his condition was caused by cannabis yet his cannabis addiction could have been his way of dealing with other underlying issues which have pushed him over the edge. He may have had schizophrenia earlier had he not self-medicated. Did you consider that? Can you prove otherwise?

PS My brother has Schizophrenia

 

[StonedPenguin]

Nope not all clean, with bud etc some drug dealers add glass dust to it to add weight.

Prohibition is what that is fella, If we could grow our own we'd know exactly what was in it.

/Agree with Andy.