I need help,noob question..

stulid · 20 Jun 2011 at 23:47

Spydell said:
Well mine flashed to a 6970 and even without the flash its still a much better card,
quieter,
reference cooler is quiet
cooler,
it dumps hot air into the case
factory overclock,
so is the ASUS
better power design for overclock,
Voltage tweak
free game,
cheaper,
I could go on but i think you should hopefully see the point by now,
Also do you even know if the op is prepared to take the risk in flashing his brand new 6950 graphics card, let alone capable of flashing it.

chris_holmes · 20 Jun 2011 at 23:49

Do you agree the card spydell is suggesting better stulid

chris_holmes · 20 Jun 2011 at 23:50

I don't I think the one I spevced is I just want to know what you think

stulid · 20 Jun 2011 at 23:51

Its certainly cheaper and a free game, better? debatable, the TwinFrozrIII seem not to be unlockable anymore, so Revision1 card like the ASUS will be faster with a simple flash of the BIOS, which is easily reversible.

chris_holmes · 20 Jun 2011 at 23:54

That the problem I would go for original as it will flash and is a better card in my opinion

chris_holmes · 20 Jun 2011 at 23:56

Op I would advise going with stulid he knows what te is on about

Spydell · 21 Jun 2011 at 00:24

stulid said:
Its certainly cheaper and a free game, better? debatable, the TwinFrozrIII seem not to be unlockable anymore, so Revision1 card like the ASUS will be faster with a simple flash of the BIOS, which is easily reversible.

Well im glad i only picked one thing from the basket and didn't waste my time on the rest.
Im not trying to get into a debate about this because i couldn't care less i am
just trying to be helpful,
like the rest of you chaps.

Stulid if you honestly believe that you think the asus card is better than
the msi twin frozr 3 and that that would be the card of your choice then lets say no more, but in my opinion i think the tf 3 is better suited to the op under the circumstance.

And as for no longer able to flash this card since when? my card was done around the 15th of this month that's 6 days ago.

That said it is still a gamble on the tf 3 as not all of them seam unlockable.

You also missed to inform of the potential damage flashing a card could have especially on a card that wasn't made for 6970 spec's

The card can still be unlocked even without the shaders giving it a far better and more solid overclock than any reference card hence the reason why it was built the way it was.

stulid · 21 Jun 2011 at 00:31

Spydell said:
You also missed to inform of the potential damage flashing a card could have especially on a card that wasn't made for 6970 spec's

I think I was quite clear when I revered to "Revision1" card which is safe to do it on.

The card can still be unlocked even without the shaders giving it a far better and more solid overclock than any reference card hence the reason why it was built the way it was.

No it cant be unlocked without shaders as thats the point of "unlocking", it can be overclocked.

The ASUS can be both unlocked and overclocked.

inkleach · 21 Jun 2011 at 07:39

As far as unlocking and flashing goes,I'm a bit wary about doing it..I attempted overclocking my last machine and it didn't do me any favours,so I kinda stayed away from messing around with the components after that.
If it was a simple and risk free thing to do then I would be up for it!
So,should I go for the last stated set of components?
I really appreciate this help guys

stulid · 21 Jun 2011 at 08:41

The gear in post #23 is great.

Spydell · 21 Jun 2011 at 15:09

stulid said:
I think I was quite clear when I revered to "Revision1" card which is safe to do it on.

The 6950 requires different voltages than the 6950 to run stable and not all 6950's can cope with the high volts, potentially breaking the card and voiding its warranty.

No it cant be unlocked without shaders as thats the point of "unlocking", it can be overclocked.

You have to flash the card to fully unlock the overclock settings, i know because i have one.

The ASUS can be both unlocked and overclocked.

stulid · 21 Jun 2011 at 15:19

The 6950 requires different voltages than the 6950 to run stable and not all 6950's can cope with the high volts, potentially breaking the card and voiding its warranty.

A revision1 card is the same PCB and parts, it can cope.

You have to flash the card to fully unlock the overclock settings, i know because i have one.

And I havent used one? and overclocked it without a "flash"

you really need to wise up.

Spydell · 21 Jun 2011 at 15:45

stulid said:
A revision1 card is the same PCB and parts, it can cope.

But the gpu can not, Thats why it was made into a 6950 in the first place because it failed the qc check.

And I havent used one? and overclocked it without a "flash" you really need to wise up.

If you had you would know that you could only bump it 50mhz more max on the core and
25mhz max on the mem clock without flashing it as that is what it is locked at.

This is nothing to this card seen as though it is capable of speeds of 1040mhz on the core.

I think it is you who needs to wise up and stop fooling the op into thinking that the asus card is better than the tf3 for more money.

stulid · 21 Jun 2011 at 16:18

Spydell said:
If you had you would know that you could only bump it 50mhz more max on the core and
25mhz max on the mem clock without flashing it as that is what it is locked at.

This is nothing to this card seen as though it is capable of speeds of 1040mhz on the core.

I think it is you who needs to wise up and stop fooling the op into thinking that the asus card is better than the tf3 for more money.

I am sorry but your wrong.

The default core on a 6950 2GB is 800mhz, many review sites at the time got higher than a 50mhz increase of this value without having to flash or increase voltages.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/HIS/Radeon_HD_6950/32.html

The overclocks listed in this section were achieved with the default fan and voltage settings as defined in the VGA BIOS.

The overclocks of our card are 860 MHz core (8% overclock) and 1540 MHz Memory (23% overclock).

http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-6950-6970-review/25

Original.... This sample.... Overclocked
Core Clock: 800MHz.... Core Clock: 800MHz.... Core Clock: 873MHz
Shader Clock: 800MHz.... Shader Clock:800MHz.... Shader Clock: 873MHz
Memory Clock: 5000MHz.... Memory Clock:5000MHz.... Memory Clock: 5312MHz

Be gone troll

lrlcr · 21 Jun 2011 at 16:21

Most likely not, and it wont take a waterblock.

It's very very unlikely it'll unlock to a 6970 as most seem to have been laser cut, however you do unlock the OC potential fully when flashing it.

stulid · 21 Jun 2011 at 16:26

lrlcr said:
Most likely not, and it wont take a waterblock.

It's very very unlikely it'll unlock to a 6970 as most seem to have been laser cut, however you do unlock the OC potential fully when flashing it.

And which card are you talking about? hopefully the MSI, as Revision1 will take a waterblock as its a reference deisgn.

chris_holmes · 21 Jun 2011 at 16:36

So.. OP what have you ordered in the end

Spydell · 21 Jun 2011 at 17:12

stulid said:
I am sorry but your wrong.

The default core on a 6950 2GB is 800mhz, many review sites at the time got higher than a 50mhz increase of this value without having to flash or increase voltages.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/HIS/Radeon_HD_6950/32.html

http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-6950-6970-review/25

Be gone troll

I was clearly referring to the twin frozr 3.

As for calling me a "troll" your just proving what you are.
If your looking for a smiley face and for people to think your cool then i suggest you go back to school and leave the adults to make the decisions.

stulid · 21 Jun 2011 at 17:14

Spydell said:
I was clearly referring to the twin frozr 3.

As for calling me a "troll" your just proving what you are.
If your looking for a smiley face and for people to think your cool then i suggest you go back to school and leave the adults to make the decisions.

You weren't referring to the twin frozrIII at all, where in your post does it say this? you were talking about all the 6950 cards. do you remember what Mr Krugga called you in that thread?

Mr Krugga said:
why I think you're a moron.

And just in case you were somehow in your mind talking about the TwinFrozrIII needing extra voltage of some sort of "unlocking" to overclock?

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/HD_6950_Twin_Frozr_III/26.html

The overclocks listed in this section were achieved with the default fan and voltage settings as defined in the VGA BIOS.

The overclocks of our card are 975 MHz core (14% overclock) and 1400 MHz Memory (8% overclock).

Which is more than 50mhz from the stock MSI setting of 850mhz on the core, they then went on and overclocked further with more voltage to 1050mhz.

So No, you dont need extra voltage or whatever to get more than 50mhz out of either a stock revision1 card or a MSI TwinFrozrII

Spydell · 21 Jun 2011 at 17:31

To the op if your confused with what graphics card to choose out of the 2 or are not sure what card would be best suited for you then id suggest you make a simple post over in the
graphics card section of the forums where im sure you will get the answer you need.

The same applies to each individual component of your system just ask in the relevant thread for each one and i am sure you will get the system that best suits your needs.

Don't rush your choices as it would not be such a nice feeling to build a computer only to find out you can not live with the loud noise it makes, the performance that it gives, the way it looks ect ect...
Just take your time as things will most likely get cheaper anyway.