I need help,noob question..

You weren't referring to the twin frozrIII at all, where in your post does it say this? you were talking about all the 6950 cards. do you remember what Mr Krugga called you in that thread?

And just in case you were somehow in your mind talking about the TwinFrozrIII needing extra voltage of some sort of "unlocking" to overclock?

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/HD_6950_Twin_Frozr_III/26.html

Which is more than 50mhz from the stock MSI setting of 850mhz on the core, they then went on and overclocked further with more voltage to 1050mhz.

So No, you dont need extra voltage or whatever to get more than 50mhz out of either a stock revision1 card or a MSI TwinFrozrII
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You weren't referring to the twin frozrIII at all, where in your post does it say this?

Me:
You have to flash the card to fully unlock the overclock settings, i know because i have one. (referring to my 6950 msi twin frozr 3)

You:
And I havent used one? and overclocked it without a "flash"

My reply to that:
If you had you would know that you could only bump it 50mhz more max on the core and
25mhz max on the mem clock without flashing it as that is what it is locked at.

Like i said clearly talking about the twin frozr 3 as i have from the start


And just in case you were somehow in your mind talking about the TwinFrozrIII needing extra voltage of some sort of "unlocking" to overclock?

Where did you get this from? your just making crap up as you go along

Listen and learn
you are limited to 900mhz / 1325mhz max unless you flash your card to unlock the bios settings.

So your quotes:
The overclocks listed in this section were achieved with the default fan and voltage settings as defined in the VGA BIOS
and this,
The overclocks of our card are 975 MHz core (14% overclock) and 1400 MHz Memory (8% overclock).
Is irrelavant as you clearly have no clue what your talking about.
 
I think the OP can clearly see that any info you may have to give is useless and wrong.

The op certainly does not need to be listing to you as you don't even know what it is your talking about,
Your just getting things others have said and throwing them onto the thread trying to look cool in the process.
If the op listens to whatever garbage your inputting to this thread then i feel sorry for him.
I have give him some fantastic advice and would gladly give him more on the rest of his build but fear it would be plagued buy the likes of idiots like you
throwing stuff onto the thread thinking that they know it all.
 
Listen and learn
you are limited to 900mhz / 1325mhz max unless you flash your card to unlock the bios settings.

Obviously not, as all the reviews achieved higher overclocks without any flashing or voltage increases.

So your quotes:
The overclocks listed in this section were achieved with the default fan and voltage settings as defined in the VGA BIOS
and this,
The overclocks of our card are 975 MHz core (14% overclock) and 1400 MHz Memory (8% overclock).
Is irrelavant as you clearly have no clue what your talking about.

Obviously do, as all you have said i have simply dismissed with proof from review websites:D

The op certainly does not need to be listing to you as you don't even know what it is your talking about,

Clearly more than you, your so wrong with everything you say.

Your just getting things others have said and throwing them onto the thread trying to look cool in the process.

Professional Review site results, which because they prove you are a tool, you dont like.

would gladly give him more on the rest of his build.

Dont, because its wrong information.


@Spydell - you're a moron.
 
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Obviously not, as all the reviews achieved higher overclocks without any flashing or voltage increases.

Obviously your wrong again and are still persistent on being a buffoon.
I have the card and know exactly what i am talking about.
To go over 900mhz / 1325mhz the card will need its bios unlocked period.


Obviously do, as all you have said i have simply dismissed with proof from review websites:D

Another example of you just throwing stuff on the thread without actually knowing for yourself.
Look at the bottom of you so called proof from review websites where it says

Clock Profiles

Do you see where it says overdrive limits
900/
1325
that means its limited to go no higher without modifying the bios

The card in the review you where so quick to post to had been flashed.

You should read what your about to post and stop claiming false facts.
 
Another example of you just throwing stuff on the thread without actually knowing for yourself.
Look at the bottom of you so called proof from review websites where it says

Clock Profiles

Do you see where it says overdrive limits
900/
1325
that means its limited to go no higher without modifying the bios

The card in the review you where so quick to post to had been flashed.

You should read what your about to post and stop claiming false facts.

Calm down.

Those may be the limits using the CCC Overdrive but other software is available which can go past those limits without modifying the BIOS.

Overclock using MSI Afterburner

Now there are a few things you need to know, in default Afterburner will not allow you to overclock over 900 MHz on the graphics core due to limitations set by AMD.

So 900 MHz is pretty much your limit. Should you be willing to take a little more risk then you can enable Unofficial Overclocking mode.
 
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Another example of you just throwing stuff on the thread without actually knowing for yourself.
Look at the bottom of you so called proof from review websites where it says

Clock Profiles

Do you see where it says overdrive limits
900/
1325
that means its limited to go no higher without modifying the bios

The card in the review you where so quick to post to had been flashed.

You should read what your about to post and stop claiming false facts.

You complete fool.

Thats the max settings using ATIs Overdrive in the driver:D

Using a better program got better results.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/HD_6950_Twin_Frozr_III/26.html

To find the maximum overclock of our card we used a combination of GPUTool and our benchmarking suite
 
Those may be the limits using the CCC Overdrive but other software is available which can go past those limits.

Clearly again your wrong no software will go past these limits until the bios has been modified.
Keep digging your whole so you can bury your head in it you twit.
 
You complete fool.

Thats the max settings using ATIs Overdrive in the driver:D

Using a better program got better results.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/HD_6950_Twin_Frozr_III/26.html

To quote you from your review websites they had flash there card you sponge.

For even more performance, or as another method to get more performance, you could try the HD 6950 to HD 6970 mod which worked on our card.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/HD_6950_Twin_Frozr_III/27.html
 
To quote you from your review websites they had flash there card you sponge.

For even more performance, or as another method to get more performance, you could try the HD 6950 to HD 6970 mod which worked on our card.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/HD_6950_Twin_Frozr_III/27.html

Which is to unlock the shaders, which now cant be done because of the laser cut dies.


They didnt flash the card to overclock beyond your magical 50mhz limit.

You really are showing yourself up here word by word.
 
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Read this:

Overclock using MSI Afterburner

Overclocked to 1008MHz on the core and 5800MHz on the memory using nothing but MSI Afterburner.

No BIOS flashing.

No unlocking.

No modified BIOS.

All done with software.



Here is a quote from gcaster who also has this card and tried the method you mentioned.

After buying my card on Tuesday in the mad sale I've sat down with it this evening to see how my luck fared with the overclocking. After spending ages tweaking afterburner I managed to unlock the CC/MC sliders for the new MSI card however it wasn't to be. After several failed attempts I came to realise that without modifying the BIOS anything over 900/1325 would cause a hardware failure within a few seconds.

And if it was to work im sure the op in all of this would love to try this and break his brand new card voiding his warranty.

Here are some quotes from those websites,

enabling registry hacks which Using the unofficial overclock method also can open a can of worms in terms of stability or weird issues.

Unofficial means unsupported -- we grant some extra tweak options to fool around with, but in no way, manner or fashion is it supported by Guru3D.com or MSI.

So asking questions about it in the forums .. is a no-go. Regardless

This will allow you to break away from limitations, at the cost of the possibility of running into stability issues as we are disabling AMD PowerPlay here.
 
Here is a quote from gcaster who also has this card and tried the method you mentioned.

Perhaps you should read further on:

Best I can get my card to is 900/1390 stable. I've had this running for up to about 6 hours of constant gaming (Rift with everything on max, inc supersampling) but pushing either CC or MC any higher causes crashes.
This is with the card running in CrossFire mind but I know my first card (XFX Reference card, under water) was stable at 950/1440 before adding the MSI card so I am pretty confident it's the MSI card causing the issues.

I've managed to run Heaven as high as 930/1400 and I could have probably pushed the MC a bit higher on this.

Cooling wise I find this card to be very impressive, it idles just 2-3 degrees higher than my watercooled card at around 35C and at load it peaks around 70C with the flashed bios. This is with unlocked shaders and a GPU core voltage of 1.2V and it still only runs 5-10C hotter than my watercooled card under load with the voltage at 1.175V. Considering my reference card was hitting almost 100C at load and sounded like a plane at take off I'd say these are pretty impressive from MSI.

EDIT: Forgot to say, the clock speeds are obviously kept at the same values on each card when in CrossFire.

Even after unlocking the card he couldn't overclock any further.

All this proves is that some cards overclock more than others regardless of whether or not they've been unlocked.

And I don't know why you're banging on about warranties.

If something did happen to your card while overclocking with software no one would be able to tell and you'd get an RMA.

If you stuffed up your card flashing the BIOS, or something happened while overclocking after you flashed the BIOS, you'd likely have an RMA refused as it would be obvious what you'd done.
 
My advice for the OP, listen to stulid and everyone else, Spydell looks like he is wrong.

The spec in post 23 is awesome and will be great.
 
I'm sorry to have caused such a debate!:(
Overclocking is something I'm not too bothered about at this stage,I don't feel confident enough to even begin trying it.
But from a few different people recommending the gear in post 23,I'm sure it must be good.I've almost got the money together,at the 600 mark atm,payday is too far away and i hate waiting.
I may have to raid the old ball'n chains savings jar and hope she doesn't notice (not really)
 
I'm sorry to have caused such a debate!:(
Overclocking is something I'm not too bothered about at this stage,I don't feel confident enough to even begin trying it.
But from a few different people recommending the gear in post 23,I'm sure it must be good.I've almost got the money together,at the 600 mark atm,payday is too far away and i hate waiting.
I may have to raid the old ball'n chains savings jar and hope she doesn't notice (not really)

A good debate is fun sometimes :D

Whichever way you go with the components the main thing is to enjoy your new rig.

Have fun with it.
 
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