I Take Issue With Some Of These So Called Dog 'Experts...'

King4aDay said:
Interesting aside - hyenas actually evolved from feline, not canine ancestors. Similarities to dogs are just convergent evolution.
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Yeah I don't think I said hyenas were felines though. I was trying to make a point about apex predators. But yes, you're right.
 
Sliver said:
Yes I agree but I was talking about the natural order of things. Now we are talking about exceptions. The natural order of things is that the apex predators at the top of the food chain are carnivores which predate herbivores. Predators rarely actively hunt other predators, they compete with them for prey. They may attack and kill other predators, but this isn't for food it's for survival.
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There are plenty of predators that will eat other predators. There is no set rule for it or 'natural order'. Theres basically two categories a predator will fall into.

Not desperate - in which case it will pick easier prey where the risk of harm to itself whilst attacking is fairly low.

Desperate - will attack anything for the chance for a meal.


Spiders, crocodiles, sharks. All will eat anything they can get their hands on. Humans are regarded as super predators, yet most predators will still try and attack us given the chance.


I cant help but feel your argument is created not on real life examples, but how you view those animals and where they 'deserve' to be on the list to you. The reality is that predators don't solely attack herbivores for food. They attack things weaker than themselves, end of story.
 
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krisboats said:
There are plenty of predators that will eat other predators. There is no set rule for it or 'natural order'. Theres basically two categories a predator will fall into.

Not desperate - in which case it will pick easier prey where the risk of harm to itself whilst attacking is fairly low.

Desperate - will attack anything for the chance for a meal.


Spiders, crocodiles, sharks. All will eat anything they can get their hands on. Humans are regarded as super predators, yet most predators will still try and attack us given the chance.


I cant help but feel your argument is created not on real life examples, but how you view those animals and where they 'deserve' to be on the list to you.
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Jeez, still on this are we. I was talking about apex predators, top of the food chain. Also, the natural order of things. I understand that there will be exceptions due to environmental factors.
 
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Sliver said:
Jeez, still on this are we. I was talking about apex predators, top of the food chain. Also, the natural order of things. I understand that there will be exceptions due to environmental factors.
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I know WHAT you were saying, i was just saying its wrong. Any predator, apex or not will simply choose based on risk-reward. A bear wont pass up an opportunity to kill a dog if it can easily win the fight. There is no animal "bro-code" like you seem to think.
 
krisboats said:
I know WHAT you were saying, i was just saying its wrong. Any predator, apex or not will simply choose based on risk-reward. A bear wont pass up an opportunity to kill a dog if it can easily win the fight. There is no animal "bro-code" like you seem to think.
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Seriously is this a wind up? I'm not advocating an animal bro code, I was simply saying earlier that with respect to the natural order of things in nature, predators do not actively hunt other predators. That's it. That's all I was trying to say. Yes there are instances when this happens, but these are rare events and not part of the natural order.
 
Sliver said:
Seriously is this a wind up? I'm not advocating an animal bro code, I was simply saying earlier that with respect to the natural order of things in nature, predators do not actively hunt other predators. That's it. That's all I was trying to say. Yes there are instances when this happens, but these are rare events and not part of the natural order.
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Your natural order is not THE natural order, lol. Predators dont class other animals based on food preferences. They see weak or strong. A bear doesnt differentiate between a wolf and a moose when choosing its meal based on which one is a herbivore, it bases it on which is the lowest risk to its own survival.

A mountain lion will stalk and kill anything it thinks it can beat. THAT is the natural order.
 
krisboats said:
Your natural order is not THE natural order, lol. Predators dont class other animals based on food preferences. They see weak or strong. A bear doesnt differentiate between a wolf and a moose when choosing its meal based on which one is a herbivore, it bases it on which is the lowest risk to its own survival.

A mountain lion will stalk and kill anything it thinks it can beat. THAT is the natural order.
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Yes. I agree and my point has always been in this thread that apex predators prey on herbivores and this is the natural order I'm banging on about. Yes an apex predator can take down other predators and this happens but the natural order of things in nature is that predators don't seek out other predators for food. When it does happen, it's probably an act of desperation by the predator.
 
Sliver said:
Yes. I agree and my point has always been in this thread that apex predators prey on herbivores and this is the natural order I'm banging on about. Yes an apex predator can take down other predators and this happens but the natural order of things in nature is that predators don't seek out other predators for food. When it does happen, it's probably an act of desperation by the predator.
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Your problem is you've over simplified the school-taught food chain to the point of being incorrect.

Orcas regularly hunt and kill sharks for food. Sharks are on an orcas list of prey. Sharks are an apex predator as well.

The natural order is predators kill anything smaller/weaker than themselves for food. THAT is natural order. There is no set list or firm rules stating predators only kill herbivores. That is simply an over simplification and conjecture based on your apparent lack of knowledge on the subject.
 
Before I invest in actually reading the OP, can someone reassure me that it's not real science.

I'm not interested if it's real dog stuff, but if it's hilarious 'my dog is my penis and he's huge' crazy rambling pseudo-science, then I'll give it my attention.
 
don't bother reading its a guy saying he bought a poodle and its a dog like his other dogs....literally no one cares.

he must have got some stick for getting a poodle or something and trying to justify it.
 
krisboats said:
Your problem is you've over simplified the school-taught food chain to the point of being incorrect.

Orcas regularly hunt and kill sharks for food. Sharks are on an orcas list of prey. Sharks are an apex predator as well.

The natural order is predators kill anything smaller/weaker than themselves for food. THAT is natural order. There is no set list or firm rules stating predators only kill herbivores. That is simply an over simplification and conjecture based on your apparent lack of knowledge on the subject.
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It's not about my lack of knowledge on this it's about your lack of understanding my point. You mention Orca. Orca feed on a wide variety of prey from small fish to large baleen whales. They do attack sharks but it's a rarity and not a staple of their diet and therefore not the natural order of things. It's an exception to their regular menu. The same applies to all apex predators both on land and in the sea. Every time I mention the natural order of things, what I'm implying is the norm.
 
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