fatiain said:We all know drug dealers peddle their wares in nurseries, beat up old ladies for their pension money and carry weapons of mass destruction to escalate drug wars.
Your point being..? That they are all loveable rogues?
fatiain said:We all know drug dealers peddle their wares in nurseries, beat up old ladies for their pension money and carry weapons of mass destruction to escalate drug wars.
Never a truer word spoken.fatiain said:We all know drug dealers peddle their wares in nurseries, beat up old ladies for their pension money and carry weapons of mass destruction to escalate drug wars.
Nope, that their 'normal' people maybe?dirtydog said:Your point being..? That they are all loveable rogues?
fatiain said:Nope, that their 'normal' people maybe?
I don't class having a spliff in the privacy of your own home a serious crime, because that is also not dangerous and doesn't have a victim.dirtydog said:I don't class most speeding as a serious crime, because speeding per se is not dangerous and doesn't have a victim. Drug dealing always has a victim even if it's just tax evasion - a crime which indirectly hurts all of us FWIW.
dirtydog said:I don't class most speeding as a serious crime, because speeding per se is not dangerous and doesn't have a victim. Drug dealing always has a victim even if it's just tax evasion - a crime which indirectly hurts all of us FWIW.
Treefrog said:I can see that this is something you feel very strongly about - mind sharing your reasons why this is so important to you?
dirtydog said:Their (sic) normal people who happen to commit serious organised crime, yes..
Sic said:so, as a law-abiding citizen, you condone speeding? you'd be singing a different tune if one of your kids (assumption) was hit by a car. i'd rather lose a few quid because drug dealers can't declare their earnings rolleyes: ) thank lose a loved-one to an innocent victim of a wreckless driver. of course, in a perfect world, all drivers would be competent enough to operate a vehicle correctly at high speeds, and drugs would be legal.
dirtydog said:No because I don't approve of people driving at inappropriate speeds, but "speeding" per se is not dangerous and per se has no victim. Can you grasp that concept.
Explain, not justify. People are people, some will be total scumbags, some will be pillars of society in all other respects. I'm willing to bet that MPs don't get their charlie from a grubby backstreet dealer, but from someone who probably earns over £50k anyway and is well-respected.dirtydog said:You want me to justify why I don't approve of drug dealers. I thought most right-thinking people thought that way. Going by this thread I seem to be the only one and everyone else thinks they're pillars of society.
Sic said:then why does the government spend so much money on trying to make people aware of their speed. speeding may well not be dangerous in itself, but the higher your speed (in general) the less in control of a vehicle you're likely to be. do you consider drink-driving dangerous? that has no victims.
also, you just wrecked the illusion. i dont see why you feel you need to be condescending. perhaps you could explain that to me. or wouldn't i grasp that either? i get what you're saying, i just dont agree with it. can you grasp THAT concept?
Treefrog said:Explain, not justify. People are people, some will be total scumbags, some will be pillars of society in all other respects. I'm willing to bet that MPs don't get their charlie from a grubby backstreet dealer, but from someone who probably earns over £50k anyway and is well-respected.
Matblack said:I'm stunned by some of the statements here, leave them alone they aren't doing anyone any harm LOL
Do you think people selling illegal drugs have any qualms about cutting them, selling them to 12 or 14 year olds or that they pay any taxes or don't commit benifit fraud whilst dealing?
No, they don't, I can understand they reason you might not want to see them put out of business . But don't defend them saying they aren't doing anyone any harm. When you have to cleared up the mess of a kid with drug induced psyhcosis who ended up curcuming to peer pressure and was sold speed cut with skag then come back and say leave them alone beause they aren't doing any harm.
Not all drug dealers are like the furry freak brothers in fact most aren't
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dirtydog said:I really can't be bothered to rehash the speeding debate, done it too many times before.
I grasp it fine, but you didn't seem to grasp mine at first which is why I tried to explain it again in simpler terms. We can agree to disagree on something without needing to call the other not a decent human being - or at least I can do that
Sic said:i'll only call someone's decency into question when they give me reason to. are you intending to patronise me, or is that the way you are? either way, my point stands
Sic said:how is it the fault of the drug dealer if a guy takes too many drugs? that responsibility lies with the taker. same with alcohol. consume responsibly. as far as i can see, if you're a "respectable" (oh the irony ) dealer, then i have no problem with you.
dirtydog said:Doesn't it strike you as ironic that you're calling my decency into question because I don't love drug dealers?