i think i have drug dealers living next door to me
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Matblack said:
that's not what im saying at all. if you dont want to do drugs, that's fine by me, i couldn't care less, i really couldnt...what i have a problem with is people maintaining this ridiculous gangster image of a drug dealer, and that they're somehow something to fear/look down on. but as always, a debate is fruitless, as i'm never going to change your mind, and you're never going to change mine...i must remember that.
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Sic said:
Your not really seeing the big picture are you? I'm not insinuating that all drug dealers are gun carrying mafia types, quite the opposite, most are skanky little addicts and small timers who don't give a toss about who they hurt. They don't pay taxes they sell to kids, who (contary to your defence) don't know what they are doing and they damage people. Just because you know some lovely people who sell a bit of coke or the odd E doesn't mean these people are the majority, in fact they aren't.
I'm not anti drugs per se and I certainly think people should be allow to intoxicate themselves in any which way they like but when this means that innocent people get hurt then I have a problem with it. In the main people who frequent these boards won't have seen the proper darkside of what drugs can do (and I don't mean having a bit of a bad trip) so I can understand your position however once you see 14 year olds who are screwed up you start to consider that there might be a better way than buying from unregulated sources in back alleys and residential streets.
I don't expect to change your mind but if you want to see the damage that unscrupulus dealers do then volunteer at your local hostel or needle exchange or sit with a kid who OD'd on what he though was a bit of speed but was actually cut with heroin. The drug scene isn't all pills and hugs, I wish it were.
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Do people really cut speed with heroin and then sell it on? Doesn't that kind of mess up the whole enterprise? What do the dealers get from that? It's like tossing a few solid gold rings in with a bunch of jewellery from a tacky market vendor!
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Arcade Fire said:
Yes, heroin is relatively cheap and can hook a client very quickly and when people have something you NEED you go back for more. In some places in the UK you'll find heroin easier to buy then resin.
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all you silly people saying drugs are harmless have you ever seen what heroin can do to a person?
it destroys families and lives.
it destroys families and lives.
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Sic said:
Well its no longer the preserve of sick looking junkies who hang out in dark alleys its a street drug and its being sold by the same kind of dealers who you are sticking up for. Its cheap and it hooks people and the kind of people who start on it are the kind of people looking for a cheap quick high who don't know or care about the consiquencies. Guess who they are? Yeah they're kids and they aren't all shooting up, some are chasing it and others are bombing it or smoking it in pipes.
I was always sceptical about smoking dope leading to harder drugs, but if a dealer says to a kid 'I can give you a high cheaper than dope and with 10 times the high what do you think the kid is going to do? I will reiterate, not all dealers are like this and your friendly chap down the pub who sells you an 1/8th probably isn't doing this, but he is probably buying his gear from the same people who are supplying the grubby dealer who is selling to kids or more impressionable people.
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dirtydog said:
it means that because of the person i am, and what i know about heroin, the drug scares me. i hear there's a reason it's addictive as it is...because it's supposedly amazing, but i have quite an addictive personality, and it'd destroy me. as such i stay away from it.
dont get me wrong, i'm not defending dealers who sell to "kids" (even though it's a parents' responsibility to keep their child away from drugs...although some of these dealers can be quite devious) but dealers who sell drugs to people who want it are no problem for me. and believe me, there are a LOT of dealers who are respectable. unfortunately i dont have figures because i dont think there's been a national survey on it.
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Are the chav kinds comming back out when they go in there, as the guy could be doing the community a favor.
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Sic said:
Forgive me I can't take your own experience of how respectable drug dealers are over the experience I have and the research I have had to do. Your right there aren't surveys on it nor do we have tax returns from these repectable dealers, thats because they don't actually pay any, though so I supose that casts some doubt on how 'repectable' they actually are doesn't it?
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millward467 said:
Sorry I've been responsible for taking this slightly off topic.
If you speak to you local policestation on the phone and ask to be put through to the incident room and then ask to make an anonomous statement then they will take the information and it won't be traced back to you. They won't be able to go charging in to the house anyway because they would need a warrant. You statement should start a chain of events, stops of people how are known to have been to the house and evidence gathering. If the police believe there is reason to investigate further then they will get a warrant but the chances of this coming back to you are slim to none especially if you state that you don't want to have any details taken.
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Matblack said:
being as it's your life experiences that shape your opinions on subjects like this, i can only comment on what i know. and from these posts, i can only guess that your career is medically oriented so i imagine you see a fair few kids who've been royally messed up by drugs. i can understand that a drug dealer might not be seen as "respectable" by a lot of people...but to people who actually do drugs, there are still standards, and if you've got half a brain, you never buy off someone you dont trust/respect. in this context, that defines respectability for me. obviously because of who we are, we wont see eye to eye on this. as far as i'm concerned, i couldn't care if a dealer isnt filing a tax return, because if he was, he wouldn't be a dealer for very much longer, would he?
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Sic said:
No he wouldn't, although as I said before if such things could be properly regulated I would have anything against it, pure (or properly cut) drugs, taxed (to help provide aftercare to victims) and sold with proper warnings, information for users and clean needles if required to users over 18 I wouldn't be quite so anti.
I dont want to stop you doing drugs if thats your bag, hell I was young once and I wasn't an angel by any means but I do want to keep the impressionable members of our society protected.
I'm not involved in the medical side but I do work with young people who have been damaged by drugs, users and vulernable young people, I've worked alongside drugs workers and people who work with the homeless. I've seen some nasty things and I've tried to help young people with permanant drug psycosis.
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