I think muslims should do more to make it known this shouldn't be tolerated

Only got up for the GP, believe me, this is early for a sunday :D , next Sunday god forbid I am at Silverstone, getting up at stupid o'clock
 
Stolly said:
What muslim nation did Switzerland invade in 1997 Shackley ? What nation has Switzerland ever invaded ?

How did the Japanese offend Islam Shackley ?
So far as I am aware, none. As you so rightly pointed out, this attack took place in Egypt - I very much doubt that the attackers were being particularly selective in terms of the nationality of their victims. I suspect that their objective was entirely to do with damaging Egypt's economy by frightening off tourists. You may know differently, in which case I would be fascinated to see your evidence.


Stolly said:
What is the justification of this, 6 years before Iraq ?
I don't know, if you are really interested, why not research it.


Stolly said:
You are the arch apologist of Islamic radicalism . . .
Am I? On what do you base this wild and stupid assertion?
 
Spawn said:
Oh FFS are you just stupid, thick or just plain ignorant??

That attack was on a muslim country and not switzerland or Japan...sadly the swiss and jap tourists that were killed in it were there at the wrong time.


Here is why they attacked the tourists...


Perhaps next time read your link and then comment on it before spouting off :).

Daring to be a tourist is justification ? its ok that they were "just in the wrong place"

I said earlier that the Islamic radicals don't seem to be too careful about they kill, and that Western foreign policy has little to do with it.

This attack supports that view perfectly.

Perhaps i'm not the one who needs to read more carefully.
 
The 29 October 2005 Delhi bombings occurred on October 29, 2005 in Delhi, India, killing 59 people and injuring at least 200 others [1] in three explosions. The high number of casualties make the bombings the second deadliest terrorist attack in India. The bombings came only two days before the important festival of Diwali (which is celebrated by Hindus, Sikhs [2], and Jains [3]). The bombs were triggered in two markets in central and south Delhi and in a bus in the Govindpuri area in the south of the city. Prime Minister Manmohan Singh blamed terrorists for the deed. A Pakistan-based terrorist outfit, the Islamic Inquilab Mahaz claimed the responsibility for the blasts.

Chalk this one up to western foreign policy as well will we ? Except India isn't part of "the west" and doesn't have anything to do with Iraq or Afghanistan.

More people in the wrong place huh ?
 
Stolly said:
Chalk this one up to western foreign policy as well will we ? Except India isn't part of "the west" and doesn't have anything to do with Iraq or Afghanistan.

More people in the wrong place huh ?


Yet again you need to educate yourself a bit on the history of that place ie India and Pakistan;).

I can easily see that the incident you are talking about has nothing to do with western foreign policy nor does it have to do with Iraq/Afghanistan lol. What it does have to do with is the internal strife that the Pakistani's and Indians have towards each other. Which is partly the great British Empire fault for splitting up India and making it 2 separate countries.

I mean come on fella, now your just clutching at straws...
 
How about this one then

1993
26 February
In New York, a bomb explodes in the underground car park at the World Trade Centre, killing six and injuring more than 1,000. When Ramzi Youssef is eventually convicted of the bombing, it emerges he had direct contact with bin Laden and received funds from al-Qaeda

Did Bush foreign policy cause this ?

Except the President of the time was Bill Clinton.

1998
7 August
US embassies in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, and Nairobi, Kenya, simultaneously bombed, killing 224 people and injuring 5,000.

Still Clinton, a man not known to be a crusader for American imperialism. Seems to be a theme developing here. Hundreds of Africans dead. What did they die for ?

2002
11 April
Truck explodes near ancient Jewish shrine of El Ghriba on Tunisian island of Djerba, killing 14 Germans, five Tunisians and a Frenchman

Germans ? In Tunisia ? What do the apologists make of this one ? The global war against tourism ?

Seems these radical Islamics really don't care who they kill, and anyone anywhere could be a target.

Notice all three of these attacks occured before the Iraq war which is the excuse du jour for radical Islamic terrorism.

Perhaps the radical Islamics are the problem after all, and they will attack us regardless of our foreign policy, Iraq or anything else.
 
cleanbluesky said:
No, I was saying it was when we gave Palestine to the Joos.

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. Are you suggesting that the foreign policy has made us a target, and that we have been a target for the last thousand years due to our 'foreign policy' including the crusades et al?
Yup, your comments were simply an indulgence in pointless discourse.


Your original assertion was that "We were always a potential target [for terrorist attacks], our foreign policy has increased our priority target because it shows that we are not willing to sit quietly and get shafted".

You seem now to be suggesting that we were always a potential target for terrorist attacks because of the Crusades as well as Lord Balfour choosing to hand over Palestine to Zionists but that this risk has been increased by "our foreign policy" and our determination not to "to sit quietly and get shafted".

It seems to me that this is ALL related to "our foreign policy" -or- perhaps you meant to say "our recent foreign policy" :confused:
 
Shackley said:
Am I? On what do you base this wild and stupid assertion?


"Wrong place, wrong time"

So if I walk into a shopping mall and start blasting, the victims are "in the wrong place, wrong time" How lovely of you.

tbh your IP should be reported to the authorties.
 
Spawn said:
Yet again you need to educate yourself a bit on the history of that place ie India and Pakistan;).

I can easily see that the incident you are talking about has nothing to do with western foreign policy nor does it have to do with Iraq/Afghanistan lol. What it does have to do with is the internal strife that the Pakistani's and Indians have towards each other. Which is partly the great British Empire fault for splitting up India and making it 2 separate countries.

I mean come on fella, now your just clutching at straws...

So it is our fault after all LOL i knew you wouldn't fail me.

Apologists are very predictable.

You might want to read up on the Indian Partition too, you'll find it was due to religous tension between Hindu/Sikh on one side and guess what religion on the other ?

Here is some other ones for you to try and blame on anything but islamic radicalism

6 October 2002
Explosion rips through French oil tanker Limburg, off coast of Yemen, killing one crewman. Remote-controlled explosives-laden boat suspected.

12 October 2002
Bombs explode outside Sari nightspot in Bali, Indonesia, killing 202 and injuring 132. A third bomb explodes near the US consulate in Sanur, near Kuta. No one is hurt.

French oil tankers ? Bali nightclubs ? Jump through some hoops and blame those two on us.

They seem to have killed people of most nationality at some point. They truely don't care who they kill.
 
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squiffy said:
So if I walk into a shopping mall and start blasting, the victims are "in the wrong place, wrong time" How lovely of you.
Are you perhaps suggesting that you would have been "in the right place, at the right time" :confused:


squiffy said:
tbh your IP should be reported to the authorties.
For any particular reason, or are you just a bit short of reasoned arguments at the moment?
 
Shackley said:
Yup, your comments were simply an indulgence in pointless discourse.


Your original assertion was that "We were always a potential target [for terrorist attacks], our foreign policy has increased our priority target because it shows that we are not willing to sit quietly and get shafted".

You seem now to be suggesting that we were always a potential target for terrorist attacks because of the Crusades as well as Lord Balfour choosing to hand over Palestine to Zionists but that this risk has been increased by "our foreign policy" and our determination not to "to sit quietly and get shafted".

It seems to me that this is ALL related to "our foreign policy" -or- perhaps you meant to say "our recent foreign policy" :confused:

Radical Islam has been attacking us since 1992, if not before. Pretending that they would have just stopped at some point since if we complied with every demand is just delusion.

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Now i think about it Clintons foreign policy included military intervention in Kosovo on the side of the muslim seperatists. Yet the radicals still attacked American targets killing hundreds of innocent Africans !

The link between foreign policy and the actions of these people is weak to say the least.
 
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Come to think about it, what are their demands at the moment ?

What are their aims ?

I remember that Osamas original demand was that US troops leave Saudi Arabia.

They did that years ago and the attacks even increased.

So we comply with their current demands, i'm sure they'll stop this time right ?
 
Stolly said:
Come to think about it, what are their demands at the moment ?

What are their aims ?

I remember that Osamas original demand was that US troops leave Saudi Arabia.

They did that years ago and the attacks even increased.

So we comply with their current demands, i'm sure they'll stop this time right ?

No they wont stop..

Because some groups aim not to stop until the flag of islam flies over downing street...

So those that have them aims will never stop until we die or they die ultimately.
 
Stolly said:
So it is our fault after all LOL i knew you wouldn't fail me.


Damn right its the British fault for what happened in that area..before you lot got your filthy hands in there...muslims, hindhus and sikhs on the majority were living with each other in peace...I dont expect you to believe me but then please do tell me whose fault was it then?? if it wasnt the british??....oh yes lets blame the muslims for that **** up there why dont we??.

Anyways lets not go OT as that has nothing to do with the topic at hand. As for the radicals??, of course they wont stop attacking western countries/interests...no matter if we gave into all their demands. Im sure they would still find a way to condone their attacks.

Who knows what will make them stop, they say they want the UK and USA as muslim countries or want to spread islam throughout the world...fact of the matter is islam is spreading throughout the world with or without the radicals help:p...thats the ironic thing about this. But i cant see the UK or USA becoming a muslim country and neither would i want them to be, we have enough muslim countries as it is:p...Perhaps they are just bored and just want to liven up things a bit...like i said who know and im pretty certain these radicals havent a clue as to what they really want from their actions.
 
johnnyfive said:
I'm sure 99% of muslims here in britain are outraged by the incident today. It only makes day to day living for them harder as non muslim british people are finding it hard to swallow.

If we saw headlines of muslims ousting the extremists, trying to find and catch them it would make multiculturism ties a lot better??

Nothing a squad of B52's can't sort out.. ;)
 
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