I think muslims should do more to make it known this shouldn't be tolerated

cleanbluesky said:
'Surveys always show'... WTF? Do you think you're allowed to make sweeping statements just becasue I step away from the keyboard for 5 minutes?
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An ICM poll last year indicated that a fifth of Muslims had sympathy with the "feelings and motives" of the suicide bombers in the July 7 2005 attack, although 99% thought they were wrong to carry out the attack.
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Guardio-Marxist link
 
Gaygle said:
lol

I think 99% was a bit of an exaggeration and you often hear of some muslims saying "i don't agree with it, but i think the UK had it coming". I don't know many Muslims at all, but the ones i do know would be as outraged at this as you or i.
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That's different though. Although I obviously do not support terrorism in any way, I think that our foreign policy has made us a potential target for terrorist attacks. Actually saying that the bombings were justified is a seperate issue, and something that the overwheling majority of Muslims do not appear to agree with (see above link).
 
Ever since 9/11 and especially since 7/7 I have thought the so called peaceful majority of muslims should be absoultely busting a gut and falling over themselves to root out the radical elemnets in their community. They should also go further than this, if the radical muslims can have their fanatic imams or whatever they're called spouting hatred and saying its ok to kill and maim and blow yourself up because if you do you will go to heaven, there bloody well be an equal and opposite ammount of pro radical muslims using exactly the same feverish preaching methods, to preach that if you DO carry out any violent attacks against anyone then you will cast iron certainly go to hell, since this seems to be the only method of communication these young impressionable muslims seem to understand. They are always professing islam is a peaceful religon so why don't they do this?
 
starscream said:
That's different though. Although I obviously do not support terrorism in any way, I think that our foreign policy has made us a potential target for terrorist attacks. Actually saying that the bombings were justified is a seperate issue, and something that the overwheling majority of Muslims do not appear to agree with (see above link).
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What aspects of our foreign policy have made us potential targets for terrorist attacks ?
 
starscream said:
That's different though. Although I obviously do not support terrorism in any way, I think that our foreign policy has made us a potential target for terrorist attacks. Actually saying that the bombings were justified is a seperate issue, and something that the overwheling majority of Muslims do not appear to agree with (see above link).
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We were always a potential target, our foreign policy has increased our priority target becasue it shows that we are not willing to sit quietly and get shafted
 
Shackley said:
For what reason do you believe that we were "always a potential target"?

What have we done to make us "always a potential target"?
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Islamic radicals don't seem to care what nationality or religion their victims are, and there is no link between foreign policy and islamic radicalism. I could be from the most peaceful nation on earth and still be a target for islamic suicide attack.
 
Shackley said:
For what reason do you believe that we were "always a potential target"?

What have we done to make us "always a potential target"?
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Ummm... Whoooo gave Palestine to the Jooos?

Was it this man?
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You see, if you use the one-sided logic that having done something that a group of Muslims doesn't like makes you a 'target' (and choosing to legitimise the frame of reference that Muslims use) - then pretty much ANYONE is a target. It's just a question of priority, something that we have shot up in due to our willingness to fight them.
 
EVERYONE is a target for Islamic radical attack, even other muslims. They target as a product of religous dogma not reason or logic.

Muslim, Christian, Shinto, Bhuddist black or white from east or west all have been killed.

The problem is not foreign policy, we are not dealing with nation state warring with nation state we are dealing with religous dogma in an extreme form.
 
Bubo said:
Ever since 9/11 and especially since 7/7 I have thought the so called peaceful majority of muslims should be absoultely busting a gut and falling over themselves to root out the radical elemnets in their community. They should also go further than this, if the radical muslims can have their fanatic imams or whatever they're called spouting hatred and saying its ok to kill and maim and blow yourself up because if you do you will go to heaven, there bloody well be an equal and opposite ammount of pro radical muslims using exactly the same feverish preaching methods, to preach that if you DO carry out any violent attacks against anyone then you will cast iron certainly go to hell, since this seems to be the only method of communication these young impressionable muslims seem to understand. They are always professing islam is a peaceful religon so why don't they do this?
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And if they know someone that's going off the deep end, they should report them to the police. If they just ignore them and carry on then they're condoning suicide attacks.

ie if my brother starts saying "I'm going to snatch a child and rape her" I would phone up the police before you could say "a" what kind of person would I be if I just ignore him and he continues to say this again and again, until eventually he does and I don't do a damn thing?
 
cleanbluesky said:
Ummm... Whoooo gave Palestine to the Jooos?.
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So, you are saying / suggesting that the reason that "We were always a potential target" of radical Muslims is because in 1917, Lord Balfour chose to hand over Palestine to Zionists and that this policy was then put into effect following the Second World War, are you?

Can you explain in what way this is / was not "our foreign policy"?


Perhaps I didn't express my question in a way that you would understand.

To rephrase it for you - For what reason, other than our foreign policy, do you believe that we were "always a potential target"?

Or was your comment simply an indulgence in pointless discourse?
 
Stolly said:
Islamic radicals don't seem to care what nationality or religion their victims are, and there is no link between foreign policy and islamic radicalism. I could be from the most peaceful nation on earth and still be a target for islamic suicide attack.
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Yeah, I know . . . just look at all the Islamic terrorist attacks in Iceland :rolleyes:
 
Shackley said:
So, you are saying / suggesting that the reason that "We were always a potential target" of radical Muslims is because in 1917, Lord Balfour chose to hand over Palestine to Zionists and that this policy was then put into effect following the Second World War, are you?
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No, I was saying it was when we gave Palestine to the Joos.

Can you explain in what way this is / was not "our foreign policy"?


Perhaps I didn't express my question in a way that you would understand.

To rephrase it for you - For what reason, other than our foreign policy, do you believe that we were "always a potential target"?

Or was your comment simply an indulgence in pointless discourse?
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Hmmmm. I don't know if that picture of Mel got you riled but I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. Are you suggesting that the foreign policy has made us a target, and that we have been a target for the last thousand years due to our 'foreign policy' including the crusades et al?
 
Some people here seem to think all terrorism in recent times are from radical Muslims (note I said 'radical'). They forget about the ETA, as well as several mafias worldwide that are not as widely reported.
 
Shackley said:
Yeah, I know . . . just look at all the Islamic terrorist attacks in Iceland :rolleyes:
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More than 60 people have been killed after an attack on a group of foreign tourists visiting a temple in southern Egypt.
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An Egyptian police spokesman said most of the dead were Swiss and Japanese tourists.

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An Islamic extremist group, the outlawed al-Gamaa al-Islamiya, is reported to have said it carried out the attack

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/november/17/newsid_2519000/2519581.stm
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What muslim nation did Switzerland invade in 1997 Shackley ? What nation has Switzerland ever invaded ?

How did the Japanese offend Islam Shackley ?

What is the justification of this, 6 years before Iraq ?

You are the arch apologist of Islamic radicalism, so i'm looking forward to your reply.

Western imperialist tourist invasion of Islamic holy ground ? By the Japanese ? against the ancient Egyptians ?
 
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Stolly said:
What muslim nation did Switzerland invade in 1997 Shackley ? What nation has Switzerland ever invaded ?

How did the Japanese offend Islam Shackley ?

What is the justification of this, 6 years before Iraq ?

You are the arch apologist of Islamic radicalism, so i'm looking forward to your reply.

Western imperialist tourist invasion of Islamic holy ground ? By the Japanese ? against the ancient Egyptians ?
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Oh FFS are you just stupid, thick or just plain ignorant??

That attack was on a muslim country and not switzerland or Japan...sadly the swiss and jap tourists that were killed in it were there at the wrong time.


Here is why they attacked the tourists...
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It came as 65 alleged members of the Islamic group went on trial in Cairo accused of conspiracy to murder.

Islamic militants have targeted tourists since beginning a campaign in 1992 to topple the government of Hosni Mubarak and set up a strict Islamic state.
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Perhaps next time read your link and then comment on it before spouting off :).
 
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