Man of Honour
Why not?
I thought Sweden was a nice place...
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You mean other than the lines of people "signing on" the dole each week while still wearing their over-alls covered in paint?
No hand-outs indeed...
Aaah so now your parents hard work was harder or more demanding / deserving than mine? or anyone else's here?
News flash for you.. unless someone came from a very privileged background, MOST people grew up through the 80's and 90's with both parents "working their fingers to the bone".
Your sob-story is no more compelling or interesting than mine, or anyone else's. You're parents" hard work was no more valuable or special than any other.
That this leads you to believe you know "a **** more about the right kind of immigration that should come into this country" than anyone else, is frankly hilarious.
You're just behaving like another whiney conservative trying to pull the ladder up behind yourself to prevent others from benefitting from the very things that got you here.
They should have Brexit there as well. Clever people voted for it because Farage said it would solve migration problem and he was right.
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Sweden used to be very safe. But they had a government who opened the flood gates to migrants (similar to Blair did here), then this stuff just spread out of control.
Sweden has a small population, it was a stupid move for the sake of virtue signalling.
Sweden has a small population, it was a stupid move for the sake of virtue signalling.
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In the topic of real immigrant or not
I have hired a retail assistant which on the work permit said "Medical Doctor" came from a war torn country, doesn't speak much English and don't even know our coins and currency. Wasn't going to use him for any pharmacy work but he does not even know what is paracetamol .... worked hard in the first week or two then not much help really
I have hired a retail assistant which on the work permit said "Medical Doctor" came from a war torn country, doesn't speak much English and don't even know our coins and currency. Wasn't going to use him for any pharmacy work but he does not even know what is paracetamol .... worked hard in the first week or two then not much help really
In before the Whoosh...
A local garage hired someone like that. Old workshop manager left, they hired a guy who struggles a bit with English and just doesn't know what to do. Last time I went in, he was being chewed out by the owner because he kept asking one of the mechanics to do the purchasing.
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Incorrect, but keep deluding yourself
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Man of Honour
You're completely missing the point in that his post is in response to someone discrediting his opinion on modern day immigration by saying his parents were immigrants. He isn't saying no one else worked at all. What a straw man/putting words in his mouth bad take.
Caporegime
I met a "poet" from Eritrea. Great actor........
Reinvented himself as a politically persecuted prisoner that composed odes to keep him compus mentis whilst in "prison" his idol was Shakespeare.... of course meeting a real Brit his bs just unravels. Anyone cynical can see it's bs.
He has conned everyone and everything in my town. He might be able to fool normal Swedes but they are so mostly gullible and open hearted it's sickening
Why my wire married me 4 sure
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I really don't mind anyone with no skills as long as they have the will to learn, what I had was clearly not a medical doctor nor have the will to learn
Handout for UK Citizens, not for immigrants. But thank you for telling me about your 'privilege'
Nope, never said that
Yep, pity illegal immigrants these days have lost the will to work
Not a sob-story, quite proud how we worked through it all and came out on top
It's funnier when you think that we as a family went through it all have first hand experience of being in a immigrant family
That's not how it works. But keep deluding yourself to show your bleeding heart
Lolwut?
Who said anything about illegal immigration? nice try of changing the framing there, or is it just reflexive to put illegal in front of immigration for you lol....which is also a bit dumb as illegal immigrants have never had the right to work, due to the fact that you know, they're illegal...
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When will people realise that we are importing loads of immigrants to appease corporations, and to keep the last flailing legs of capitalism going?
This bonkers notion that we are letting loads of immigrants in just so they can do nothing and sit on benefits is absurd.
The reason western countries do it, is because they are desperate for cheap labour and people that will do the jobs that most other people do not want to.
Then the mega wealthy, and the politicians in their pocket, manage to successfully blame all the economic and societal woes on immigration, and successfully draw the ire towards the immigrants themselves, rather than the actual problem (which is greed from the already mega wealthy).
This bonkers notion that we are letting loads of immigrants in just so they can do nothing and sit on benefits is absurd.
The reason western countries do it, is because they are desperate for cheap labour and people that will do the jobs that most other people do not want to.
Then the mega wealthy, and the politicians in their pocket, manage to successfully blame all the economic and societal woes on immigration, and successfully draw the ire towards the immigrants themselves, rather than the actual problem (which is greed from the already mega wealthy).
Immigration was never the problem, moving away from a policy of integration - which used to be so obvious it was implicit - to a policy of multiculturalism is the issue.
"You've come from a war torn country looking for better prospects, welcome to this country, this is how we do things, please try your best to integrate". It works - broadly.
"You've come from a war torn country looking for better prospects, welcome to this country, continue to live as you did, with the norms of where you came from. Please cook me some spicy food so I can talk about it to my friends to appear ‘cultured’ and ‘cool’". It doesn't work.
Why would any country strive to be a state in which there are different microcosms of different belief? And not only has that but accepts it and promotes it. It's destined to fail at its core. A lot of the 'social decency' that is assumed by most people only works if people have a shared belief over what is correct. If we promote a country where you 'accept' that people can have differing views (on decency) and that's ok, well the social decency goes out the window. And well here are the results and you see it all over the west.
It ultimately stems from this strange 'guilt' that the west feels, because a policy of integration is a policy of confidence in your way of life. We saw where the extremes of that went in the 20th century, and now we seem to have gone the complete other way where we denigrate our own way of life and promote others even though the flow of people seems to stream this way. For good reason, ours is a good way of life and it should be something we are proud of and promote. Especially to those who choose to come here from different ways of life.
Thank you for listening to my ted talk.
"You've come from a war torn country looking for better prospects, welcome to this country, this is how we do things, please try your best to integrate". It works - broadly.
"You've come from a war torn country looking for better prospects, welcome to this country, continue to live as you did, with the norms of where you came from. Please cook me some spicy food so I can talk about it to my friends to appear ‘cultured’ and ‘cool’". It doesn't work.
Why would any country strive to be a state in which there are different microcosms of different belief? And not only has that but accepts it and promotes it. It's destined to fail at its core. A lot of the 'social decency' that is assumed by most people only works if people have a shared belief over what is correct. If we promote a country where you 'accept' that people can have differing views (on decency) and that's ok, well the social decency goes out the window. And well here are the results and you see it all over the west.
It ultimately stems from this strange 'guilt' that the west feels, because a policy of integration is a policy of confidence in your way of life. We saw where the extremes of that went in the 20th century, and now we seem to have gone the complete other way where we denigrate our own way of life and promote others even though the flow of people seems to stream this way. For good reason, ours is a good way of life and it should be something we are proud of and promote. Especially to those who choose to come here from different ways of life.
Thank you for listening to my ted talk.
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Soldato
I watched “Demon 79” on the plane this morning. Now this. This has to be a simulation and a bad one at that.
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You are not making the point you think you are.
All of those were armed invasions.
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Man of Honour
Oh yes, well done. Consider the perfectly reasonable arguments made in this thread totally owned. You have truly demonstrated that your point of view is the reasonable one.
I find it very interesting to have your insight on this subbectt @Efour, being a resident there gives us a much better view of what's actually going on than on other issues in foreign lands.
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