Iiyama ProLite B2888UHSU-B1 28" 4K 60Hz
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I have a new TN and an older IPS right next to each other so i beg to differ. The difference is very noticeable to me, but then I've been using an IPS for a long time so the drop down to TN is uncomfortable. I'll be glad to move to a 4K IPS FreeSync monitor when they get released. That said though i do enjoy gaming on my 4K TN and enjoy the increase responsiveness, but this still plays second fiddle to the benefits IPS offers.
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So do I, so does greg, so does scotty, so do a few other people, so did techreport who reported that the TN actually had better colour reproduction head on
Your problems seem to stem from an insistance on not calibrating your monitor using any kind of reference images
Absolutely, out of the box these 4k TN's seem to be poorly calibrated, but after 20 minutes of fiddling they are indestinguishable from an Ips (uless you like gaming sitting on the floor looking up at them)
Actual measurement devices disagree with you, along with a bevvy of other end users
Your problems seem to stem from an insistance on not calibrating your monitor using any kind of reference images
Absolutely, out of the box these 4k TN's seem to be poorly calibrated, but after 20 minutes of fiddling they are indestinguishable from an Ips (uless you like gaming sitting on the floor looking up at them)
Actual measurement devices disagree with you, along with a bevvy of other end users
I go by my eyes and what they see, not what other people tell me based on what they see. TN is poor in comparison to IPS, but YMMV. It's fine if you don't mind the decrease in quality. Some people can't detect it or are oblivious to it, I'm not one of those lucky few unfortunately. I'm keeping my TN for now though because i love 4K.
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Measurements matt, not eyes, actual objective test measurements, with objective test equipment
If you cant be bothtered to calibrate that is fine, but you are the only person giving yourself the problem, not the monitor
If you cant be bothtered to calibrate that is fine, but you are the only person giving yourself the problem, not the monitor
I've tried that, used my friends Spyder. It's poor in comparison to my calibrated IPS screen.
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Uh huh, really, out of the blue just like that, when this entire thread youve been asking other people for settings because you said you had never bothered with calibrating before
What was the comparison on the deviation report?
What was the comparison on the deviation report?
He brought it round for me to try, didn't make much difference. It's very noticeable for me as i have two monitors right next to each other and several pc's.
I don't remember the report, (didn't even look) he took it back as it's his tool but next time i see him I'll ask him to bring it round for your benefit.
I don't remember the report, (didn't even look) he took it back as it's his tool but next time i see him I'll ask him to bring it round for your benefit.
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Lmao, the report would have been on you machine, not taken away with him, unless he stole your harddrive while he was at it
Well if that's the case then I'll be able to share it with later then. Where is it located?
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Probably in software's folder or one of your user folders, ive not used the spyder specifically
Did the spyder software get you to make changes using the OSD or was it all automatic?
Was it the express or the pro?
Did the spyder software get you to make changes using the OSD or was it all automatic?
Was it the express or the pro?
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You slap it on the middle of your screen, runs the software and it goes through a self calibration and then it writes the changes to a setting somewhere, not sure where exactly as he did it for me.
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Sounds like the express then... If it doesnt help you set up brightness and contrast on the monitor itself then it is just a bandaid that tries to mitigate the worst, chances are your ips was better out of the box
You would still need to use calibration images or something to set up brightness and contrast before using the spyder
You also dont get a complete report with the express
I actually found that i needed to turn the brightness way up, like 100% on my samsung, then use the gpu driver panel to turn it back down, colours end up much more vibrant but you lose the greyness
You would still need to use calibration images or something to set up brightness and contrast before using the spyder
You also dont get a complete report with the express
I actually found that i needed to turn the brightness way up, like 100% on my samsung, then use the gpu driver panel to turn it back down, colours end up much more vibrant but you lose the greyness
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He's going to bring the tool round again on Saturday, so will have another bash. I'm not overly optimistic though, i just prefer IPS.
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at the end of the day, you're commited to the 4k TN, so you may as well try and make the best of it
just to humour me, try it with the monitor set to brightness 100, contrast 50, RGB all at 100, use AMD panel to set contrast and brightness and gamma all down by about 10% from wherever they start (e.g. nvidia starts at 50% and 1 for gamma and I have them at 40-45% and 0.9)... then use the spyder
just to humour me, try it with the monitor set to brightness 100, contrast 50, RGB all at 100, use AMD panel to set contrast and brightness and gamma all down by about 10% from wherever they start (e.g. nvidia starts at 50% and 1 for gamma and I have them at 40-45% and 0.9)... then use the spyder
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I seriously don't get the hate for TN. I have gone through so many monitors recently, from a very expensive IPS to a very expensive TN and the Samsung TN was superb for colour comparison to the Dell IPS and you could even fidget about and the colour was static (unlike the ROG Swift I have). The only time the colour ghosted was when you looked from very high above or on the ground. Side to side was no problem.
Each to their own but in the case of the Samsung, it did need some calibration, as did the Dell, as did the Swift but that is par for the course and doesn't take long.
Each to their own but in the case of the Samsung, it did need some calibration, as did the Dell, as did the Swift but that is par for the course and doesn't take long.
It's not about hating TN as such, it's just about coming from IPS to TN is a step down in quality. As i have both right next to each other, it's easy to spot the drawbacks of TN. If you prefer TN then that's fine, but I'll never agree that TN is as good, even close to IPS quality.
Andy calibrated it again using SpyderElite. This is what i got. If there is some other report you're referring to then you'll have to tell me where it is. Spyder pro is pretty good, it takes a light reading then tells you what settings to use based on your monitor. This includes gamma settings in CCC. Then it tests the screen, stops halfway through, makes you adjust brightness again a bit then carries on till it finishes. It does look better after calibrated, but it's still behind my IPS.
Andy calibrated it again using SpyderElite. This is what i got. If there is some other report you're referring to then you'll have to tell me where it is. Spyder pro is pretty good, it takes a light reading then tells you what settings to use based on your monitor. This includes gamma settings in CCC. Then it tests the screen, stops halfway through, makes you adjust brightness again a bit then carries on till it finishes. It does look better after calibrated, but it's still behind my IPS.
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So Did you try making the OSD adjustments I suggested?
Or are still using varshes settings?
It hasnt given you the delta e for the colours, so there is no way of actually saying how accurate the colours are
You arent being very descriptive of What exactly your issue is with the 4k, so it is difficult to suggest changes to try and you dont seem to be using any of my suggestions anyway so...
Is your ips also calibrated to 180cd/m2
You would need a delta e report with brightness and contrast for both monitors to be able to make the requisite adjustments, or you can use a website like lagom to try and do them by eye
What you are doing at the moment is like trying to use a dyno to tune a car that needs new spark plugs - changing the fuel rate isnt going to get the result you want until you sort out the plugs first
Or is it just the colour shift off center and nothing else?
Or are still using varshes settings?
It hasnt given you the delta e for the colours, so there is no way of actually saying how accurate the colours are
You arent being very descriptive of What exactly your issue is with the 4k, so it is difficult to suggest changes to try and you dont seem to be using any of my suggestions anyway so...
Is your ips also calibrated to 180cd/m2
You would need a delta e report with brightness and contrast for both monitors to be able to make the requisite adjustments, or you can use a website like lagom to try and do them by eye
What you are doing at the moment is like trying to use a dyno to tune a car that needs new spark plugs - changing the fuel rate isnt going to get the result you want until you sort out the plugs first
Or is it just the colour shift off center and nothing else?
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These are using the recommended settings given to my by Spyder after inputting my monitor details. It said gamma of 2.2 in CCC, colour temp of 6500K and brightness of 100, which it later said to lower to 80. Monitor was at default settings, not varshes.
It did when i calibrated it, i just didn't get a screenshot of it. It was 97% of srgb. Is that what you mean?
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I tried your settings, these look better. It's just not up to the same quality as my IPS, but the colours look better now since i used Spyder.