Index enabled full system - Budget £2500 (max)

frustin

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I'm looking to put a rig together. I've set a budget for about £2500, so I have some wiggle room in my set up if there's any major gains by buying more expensive kit.

My intention is to use it for FPS and I want to get a Index VR. I'm going to look at a super-wide screen monitor as well.

I've done some research on here and following advice that others have given to other people asking the same sorts of questions.

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £2,038.09 (includes shipping: £13.20)
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It's been a long time since i built a rig myself so be gentle.

Questions regarding monitors:

  1. Is it advisable to get a G-Sync enabled monitor?
  2. Is 3,440 x 1,440 really the sweet spot for gaming? Will my system work at that resolution for games on high settings?
  3. I've read a review that the Samsung CJ791 is a pretty good bang for buck, super-wide.

Questions regarding the rig:

  1. If i build it myself, will I have all the cables i need to put it together? If not, what should i buy?
  2. Do I need a sound card or is everyone using onboard sound and headphones nowadays?
  3. Where in the shopping cart area (if that's where it is) do you have the option for OCUK to build it? I think I've read it's £150?
  4. If OCUK build the rig, will they add all the cables and tie-backs etc?
  5. I don't need it to look good, but I expect i'll look at overclocking it so a good aircooling set up is a requirement.
  6. I'm not sure about putting in a custom water cooled loop. I could give it ago but if it's going to drive the cost up for no real gains over air, then i'd rather leave it out.
  7. Would OCUK build a water cooled loop if i added the loop materials to the items list?
Thanks for any help rendered and apologies for any ignorance.
 
Cant answer all your questions but

1, yes you should have everything with what you have specced
2, no, most onboard sound cards have digital out and surround (im using both to great affect)
3, unsure but the systems I have had them build have been great
4, yes, very neat job, however the last one came with the graphics card seperate (i think to ensure no damage in transit)
5, I thought I would do this so went water cooling and havent bothered because nothing has touched the performance yet
6, Again personally I would water cool the cpu but thats just me
7, i imagine so but would need to ask

I am also using an Index for VR and love it, no super wide monitor for me but I do have two additional monitors running at the same time with a Gigabyte 2070 (non s) and it smashes most things, HL Alyx is a great demo of the kit
 
@frustin


My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £2,454.08 (includes shipping: £13.20)
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Ryzen

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £2,475.08 (includes shipping: £13.20)


IF your going to spend £1k on a wide screen....

rather do this for same amount of cash! Push up to 2080 Super if needs be . Gaming OC over Windforce for registered extra year warranty and bigger cooler !

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/acer...creen-led-backlit-gaming-monit-mo-14n-ac.html

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/asus...000-led-backlit-gaming-monitor-mo-0al-as.html

sane thing to do with current climate !


My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £2,253.07 (includes shipping: £13.20)
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@mrlizard thanks very much for your answers, very helpful.
@orbitalwalsh thank you for your response. Just to be clear, your baskets in order are:
  1. Option 1 - Intel loadout
  2. Option 2 - Ryzan & 43inch monitor rather than super-wide. why 43inch rather than superwide? i.e. is it personal preference or more screen real estate?
  3. Option 3 - full spec inc 27inch monitor
  4. Opiton 3 - What do you mean in current climate? Are prices artificially high because of the corona?
  5. Is Ryzan the best to go for over Intel at the moment? From what i've been reading that is the case.
  6. is the Ryzen 7 3700X best bang for buck? as opposed to the AMD Ryzen 9 3950X i put in my basket?
 
5. Ryzen seems the way to go but mostly because of the performance V money, I built my personal machine just over a year ago and went i9 9900 but just built a new one for the mrs, who uses premierpro/after affects/photoshop and planet coaster and for that one i went Ryzen 7 3700x.

In my experience I would always go Nvidia over AMD for graphics but for CPU right now I went AMD.
 
Ultrawides, you've got to check if your game supports it.

4k 144hz you know it'll last you a while as 2080ti finally handles 60hz 4k just fine !

Intel is stronger then and at VR, just due to resolution and single/dual core performance. Should change with Zen3 later this year

@mrlizard

Swap yours around with your other Half's

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Premiere-Pro-CPU-performance-AMD-Ryzen-9-3950X-1615/

Also a nice update

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/a...64-NVIDIA-Hardware-Encoding-Performance-1723/
 
The RTX 2070 Super is poor value for money right now compared to the 5700 XT.


A RTX 2080 Ti will give you fantastic performance at both 4k and 3440x1440.
 
mrlizard said:
I am also using an Index for VR and love it, no super wide monitor for me but I do have two additional monitors running at the same time with a Gigabyte 2070 (non s) and it smashes most things, HL Alyx is a great demo of the kit
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Does the index and it's peripherals need spliters or do they just connect to usb ports? do i need to have a displayport socket available on the graphics card?
 
frustin said:
Does the index and it's peripherals need spliters or do they just connect to usb ports? do i need to have a displayport socket available on the graphics card?
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Will have to double check but shouldn't come with splitters and just cables needed. Also GPUs will have enough HDMI/Displayports .

As for intel i7 9700k Vs Ryzen 9 3900X... You'd hope with release of next gen consoles, ports are done better for use of multiple cores then ports currently are now

Heads up.. XD version of the base releases 24tg. But OCUK change their weekly deals tomorrow , everytm Wednesday
 
orbitalwalsh said:
XD version of the base releases 24tg
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Forgive my ignorance, but what does that mean?

Also i was looking into those 43inch monitors, because they're VA panels, will they end up with ghosting issues? i was intending to use mine to for on as well as for gaming, work isnt really anything high-end but office tools. Will an excel spreadsheet look terrible on a VA panel?

That Acer Predator panel requires 2xdisplayports to give true 4K 144fps. The windforce gpu (understood that you're not recommending that one based on warranty period and i'll change that) has 3x DPs, presumably the Index doesnt require more than one DP?
 
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frustin said:
Forgive my ignorance, but what does that mean?

Also i was looking into those 43inch monitors, because they're VA panels, will they end up with ghosting issues? i was intending to use mine to for on as well as for gaming, work isnt really anything high-end but office tools. Will an excel spreadsheet look terrible on a VA panel?

That Acer Predator panel requires 2xdisplayports to give true 4K 144fps. The windforce gpu (understood that you're not recommending that one based on warranty period and i'll change that) has 3x DPs, presumably the Index doesnt require more than one DP?
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Sorry, kids and typing with one hand.

The bequiet base 500 is having a newer version release on the 24th, extra fan I believe and a Mesh front with ARGB and USB C port . Will take advantage of x570/z390 boards that have an internal port.

As for the headset

  • connection
  • Additional Notes: Available DisplayPort (Version 1.2) and USB (2.0+) Port Required
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  • 1070 or better
  • Additional Notes: Available USB (3.0+) Port Required for Headset Pass-Through Camera & USB Port Support
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So all your cards Displayports would be plugged in without a switch .


GPU performance with half life alyx

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pcgamer.com/uk/amp/half-life-alyx-best-gpu-best-headset/
 
frustin said:
  1. is the Ryzen 7 3700X best bang for buck? as opposed to the AMD Ryzen 9 3950X i put in my basket?
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Unless wanting to play two games simultaneously on same CPU, Zen2 will be getting old in single core performance before there's real use for 16 cores in gaming.
And already 3900X has enough cores for Intel to do catching.
Also 16GB memory will be little for heavier games long before running out of cores.

Anyway for platform's longevity upgrade to improved architecture Zen3 CPU beats any Zen2.
Performance increase should be at same level to Zen+ to Zen2 increase.
 
frustin said:
Does the index and it's peripherals need spliters or do they just connect to usb ports? do i need to have a displayport socket available on the graphics card?
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You will need a display port as mentioned above, the two sensors just need power rather than USB (unlike the oculus) - the headset communicates updates/on/off etc via bluetooth to the receivers.
 
EsaT said:
Unless wanting to play two games simultaneously on same CPU, Zen2 will be getting old in single core performance before there's real use for 16 cores in gaming.
And already 3900X has enough cores for Intel to do catching.
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Sorry, just to be clear, are you saying go with 3700X then? Zen3 CPU will be compatible with the "Gigabyte X570 GAMING X"? Therefore upgrade later to Zen3?

I'm undecided on what monitor at the moment.

Basket at the moment:

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £1,688.12 (includes shipping: £13.20)
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frustin said:
Sorry, just to be clear, are you saying go with 3700X then? Zen3 CPU will be compatible with the "Gigabyte X570 GAMING X"? Therefore upgrade later to Zen3?
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With 8 cores/16 threads 3700X is certainly good for current games.
At the moment there are only very few games capable to scaling to higher core count.
And most likely GPU would be as much bottleneck in them...
Now is simply historically bad time to buy expensive graphics card, courtesy of Nvidia's even Intel exceeding greed:
2080 Ti is only ~35% faster than Radeon 5700 Xt for its 200% higher price and 2080 super isn't much better in performance per price.
For comparison GPU of next Xbox is 2080 Super level in raw power and with high level of optimizations in consoles likely gives better performance.
And would expect raytracing performance to be clearly better.
Nvidia's marketing "forgets" to tell that using that marketing feature incurs hefty performance loss all the way to 30% and even to 50% in worst case.

Zen3 will be BIOS update compatible with current boards.
Though some older and lowest models are unlikely to get BIOS updates.
 
If playing at 4k, then personally wouldn't go 5700xt. 2080ti 35% at 4k means playing high settings with lowest FPS behind greater then 60fos, I'd take that with 8 cores.

1440p 144hz monitor then would be happy with RTX 2070 super or 5700XT . Into Ray tracing the. 2080ti will just about handle 4k but watch frame rates drop to that of a console , but would look pretty !
Ray tracing with 2080ti at 1440p give pretty looks and high frame rates . All depends on how you game. I'm an RTS person. Don't care for super high frames but my god I want it looking damn pretty ! I want to see my workers sweating!

1440p 165hz is the gamers choice, 144hz 4k is lovely if you can afford it, but next Gen Nvidia and AMD will be pushing above 2080ti , with same great costs :/
 
i think i'll stick with the 2070 Super. i dont need 4k at the moment and when the next gen cards comes out along with the new CPU from amd, i can upgrade then.

so my £2500 rig + monitor costs is looking a bit more cost effective. I have a dell U2412M on my desk at the moment, which was good in its day but not going to be good enough for this rig.
 
frustin said:
i think i'll stick with the 2070 Super. i dont need 4k at the moment and when the next gen cards comes out along with the new CPU from amd, i can upgrade then.

so my £2500 rig + monitor costs is looking a bit more cost effective. I have a dell U2412M on my desk at the moment, which was good in its day but not going to be good enough for this rig.
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smart move, specially with the way things are going. 2080ti can be done with your budget! but you can also get 2070S + 1440p monitor at that price!


frustin said:
I'm undecided on what monitor at the moment.

Basket at the moment:

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £1,688.12 (includes shipping: £13.20)
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My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £608.69 (includes shipping: £8.70)​
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when i linked thatt 165hz IPS monitor it was on sale, changed price at 12pm today. if you do order it, would seee if OOCUK could match that price, and point out this thread oon the forum
 
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