Indian Grand Prix 2012, New Delhi - Race 17/20

It's all about Vettel vs Alonso now and I think it will go down to the wire albeit with Seb having a points advantage, where he'll go on to win the race and his 3rd WDC.

Mclaren are well and truly out of contention - RB have designed a very fast car.

Feel quite sad that this is the way it's gone, really was hoping there would be 3 to 5 drivers in contention for the WDC within the last two races but it's just turned into a two horse race for me.

I actually want Alonso to win the WDC - I feel he deserves it more - I know there are 4 races to go but Seb wouldn't have been able to do what Alonso has done this season, imho.
 
Hahaha.

There is a surprising amount of lol's with Webber. He's the last of that breed of F1 drivers who just say and do what they want without the PR gag.
 
Brilliant, never seen that before. He is a great guy.

I wonder if Seb will question the team again if Webber somehow snatches pole?
 
Skeeter said:
Hahaha.

There is a surprising amount of lol's with Webber. He's the last of that breed of F1 drivers who just say and do what they want without the PR gag.
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He didn't say what he wanted though? He could have said, yeah, the team screwed me. He's as much a team player as most and rarely says anything against the team, F1, or most others most of the time, also one of the worst interviewee's in the paddock "yeah ummm, but, yeah ummmm".

Kimi = says anything, Webber = still doesn't really let it go even at his most angry, the rest of the time he spouts the team line.

The armrest thing is funny though.
 
dannyjo22 said:
No he won't, they will have him on a slightly slower different strategy to get the same job done. He will do as he is told like always. They will also use him as the tyre guinea pig to see when to pit vettel.

I hope we get to a situation where Webber leads Vettel with all the pitstops done this year to see exactly how big webbers balls are in comparison to his mouth.
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Do bear in mind that he is an employee of the company and like any employee, we are duty bound to follow rules/regs laid down by our employers.

If he moves over to let Vettel win, there is no shame in this. Any one of us on this forum, would happily take orders from our managers and do as we are told. We do this every day.

On another note though, I do not feel that Vettel needs any assistance from Webber. Providing he gets on pole and is able to time trial, nobody will beat Vettel, when Vettel is in a faster car.

Rival teams need to attempt to lure away some of RBR's technical staff. Their engineering staff are now consistently producing the best car. They have the best engineering dept in F1 by a comfortable margin and rival teams would do well to attempt to break RBR's dominance by breaking up their engineering department.

I personally think that the employees designing and producing the cars should get big bonuses because I think the reason why RBR win so much, is not so much the driver (though Vettel is great), but because their engineering dept produces the best car every year.
 
Bennah said:
I wonder if Seb will question the team again if Webber somehow snatches pole?
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Of course he will.
Vettel believes he is the best driver (all top drivers believe this).
He believes that nobody can go faster than him (all top drivers believe this).
If Webber goes faster, Vettel will somehow convince himself that it was not his fault and that Webber just got lucky or divine assistance.

Hamilton, Senna, MSc, Alonso, Vettel, Mansell....they all fall into this category.
 
sunama said:
Do bear in mind that he is an employee of the company and like any employee, we are duty bound to follow rules/regs laid down by our employers.

If he moves over to let Vettel win, there is no shame in this. .
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Of course but then I don't do around making out otherwise.

Red Bull have kept him on a tight lead since 2010 with one year well paid deals. Why he tries to make out otherwise is laughable, there will be shame involved if he moves over this weekend to give seb more points but only because he stated otherwise.

I hope they engineer the swap for him to save his embrassement.
 
sunama said:
Of course he will.
Vettel believes he is the best driver (all top drivers believe this).
He believes that nobody can go faster than him (all top drivers believe this).
If Webber goes faster, Vettel will somehow convince himself that it was not his fault and that Webber just got lucky or divine assistance.

Hamilton, Senna, MSc, Alonso, Vettel, Mansell....they all fall into this category.
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Hamilton's deluded. He's fast but he's not the best driver on the grid, he's not the complete package.

Also, I'd love to see what Button, Alonso and Hamilton would've done with Seb's car these last three years. Shame we'll never find out.
 
gord said:
The RB has grown wings. Monstrously fast car since Japan.
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I do wonder how much a wing test changed things, because we had Mclaren's dominant for a while, then Red bull were matching Mclaren, and outside of failures around the time new wing testing came in and everyone was talking particularly about Mclaren/Red bull having potentially tilting/flexi wings and a new test, its not like Red Bull have gotten that much faster than Ferrari/Lotus because they were outfront with Mclaren, its more like Mclaren have backed into the pack behind.

I suggested at the time, adapting the wing to past the new test, maybe Mclaren's wing couldn't pass so they put on a "safe" older wing and all the speed they got disappeared, while Red bull's "experience" with dodgy wings and theirs still passed the new test.


I do think Red Bull have improved more but it really went from two leaders with a gap then everyone else, to Mclaren joining that gap more than Red bull extending it.


Either way, came in to have a go at the BBC, they go with a story of both drivers "bemoaning" the pace, while Sky run the same story except its Hamilton is generally happy, Button unhappy. The video BBC put up is rather boring but more clearly shows Hamilton saying the day went well and most of the issues with single lap pace were fixable, and Button just looked down and basically banged on about not having enough pace.

its not really a big deal but you just constantly see certain media trying to put a downside on everything Hamilton says.

Long run pace is a little silly, Hamilton did steady laps, as did Alonso, as did Vettel and Hamilton was generally on a faster pace than the other two(by a very small margin, certainly not 3/10ths behind every lap), then Vettel did his usual burn rubber final lap which the others didn't seem to try.

But once again its really just hinting that Red Bull have the power, but ultimately when you need tyres to go X number of laps, they can all achieve much the same pace.

Problem is Red Bull look like they can lock out the front row and even if 2 cars could run the same pace, the car behind won't, simple as that.
 
To be honest, I think RB have hit a sweet spot with the rear diffuser and DRS system. It's beginning to look like last season where they drove well within their limits. I'm not too fussed, I don't mind RB winning with either of their drivers and we've had a good season. Lets hope for more action and unexpected turns of events over the weekend.
 
If you look back to the first race in Melbourne, their car was sliding all over the place, no grip at all. Looks like they have the diffuser and floor working back how it was before almost.
 
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