Indonesia Executions

[Wazz-1]

The cost of hiding from the law is vast. A legitimate drugs company wouldn't have to worry about that.

There is no way that an illegal operation can be cheaper, unless it is offering substandard quality, stealing materials, or avoiding taxes.


Take weed for example:
A sophisticated UK criminal operation might be a warehouse or two with hydroponic growth, the weed would then be processed in-house. A legal operation could choose better and biiger premises, as they won't have to hide their activity. Over time the processing would be outsourced to new specialists, who can do it using specialist machinery at mucher lower prices.

The criminals will distribute through a variety of dealers, who take a cut and pass onto smaller dealers. Theft is a major concern and lots of money is spent of protecting goods and hiding from the law. A legal operation could distribute to shops countrywide, and can purchase insurance to combat the risk of theft, and doesn't have to spend money to hide from the law.

The criminals wouldn't be able to compete, and would go out of business. The government could regulate safety of product. Taxes could be raised from the industry to fund medical care of drug users.

Night, and day.

I do agree in principle, but Weed is probably not a good example, most would grow their own as it is so simple and cheap to do (they also make very nice house plants) and those who didn't would buy from a friend.

 

[Amp34]

You say that then you call for less harsh punishment for drug dealers and gangs and want it legalised.

You can't have it both ways. Why should I give a damn about an individual who chooses to take drugs and takes one laced with some chemical. It's a choice they made. It's like asking me to feel sorry for a cigarette smoker.

You missed the point of his post. It's not the drugs that are the problem, it's the fact they are illegal. Sell ecstasy at a pharmacist and instantly you remove drug dealers from the equation, making peoples lives (unrelated to drugs) safer AND reduce issues of overdoses caused by "bad" batches. When's the last time you heard of a bad batch of paracetamol killing people? You don't, because they are made in well regulated conditions. The pharmacist can also tell people how to take it safely, reducing any overdose risk.

It's a win win for everyone concerned, except those making an illegal living out of it. All those factors are part of the reason US States are now legalising possession and growing of cannabis.

 

[Amp34]

You obviously have not seen the weed some of these illegal dealers make, they take great care of what they produce and create some quality products. Some of them are run like normal businesses and keep their own standards. Not every dealer is some amateur running an operation from a bedsit and home made equipment.

Weed, so dangerous it being legalised in countries around the world as we speak... Partly as it helps reduce crime and violence associated with illegal growing and buying.

You may know the ins and outs of the local drug trade but you don't seem to understand the real world view.

 

[Amp34]

But drug users will still go to a street dealer if its cheaper.
Remember people on drugs are quite dim when they need a fix and they dont have much money

You heard it here first, if you regularly drink alcohol or smoke tobacco you're a bit dim... No wonder politicians and businesses are like they are...

You are right in a small number of cases. People will still buy drugs from non legitimate sources, whether that be counterfeit tobacco or smuggled alcohol, however the vast majority will get it from somewhere safe with a known purity and the number of illegal gangs will decrease significantly.

As has been proven in a number of cases decriminalisation works.

 

[Judgeneo]

I do agree in principle, but Weed is probably not a good example, most would grow their own as it is so simple and cheap to do (they also make very nice house plants) and those who didn't would buy from a friend.

Would they though? Its really easy to make your own beer, but most of it is bought.

People who use the stuff every day will probably opt to grow, but I doubt most people will bother with growing, drying and storing, when they could just pop to the shops.

 

[Amp34]

The cost of hiding from the law is vast. A legitimate drugs company wouldn't have to worry about that.

There is no way that an illegal operation can be cheaper, unless it is offering substandard quality, stealing materials, or avoiding taxes.


Take weed for example:
A sophisticated UK criminal operation might be a warehouse or two with hydroponic growth, the weed would then be processed in-house. A legal operation could choose better and biiger premises, as they won't have to hide their activity. Over time the processing would be outsourced to new specialists, who can do it using specialist machinery at mucher lower prices.

The criminals will distribute through a variety of dealers, who take a cut and pass onto smaller dealers. Theft is a major concern and lots of money is spent of protecting goods and hiding from the law. A legal operation could distribute to shops countrywide, and can purchase insurance to combat the risk of theft, and doesn't have to spend money to hide from the law.

The criminals wouldn't be able to compete, and would go out of business. The government could regulate safety of product. Taxes could be raised from the industry to fund medical care of drug users.

Night, and day.

I don't think weed is the best example here as the reality is many people will grow it themselves. The theory is still sound though and would work for other drugs that need more processing/synthesising, such as cocaine and MDMA.

Why resort to violence if you can just go to the police and they lock the violent competitors up?

 

[Amp34]

Would they though? Its really easy to make your own beer, but most of it is bought.

People who use the stuff every day will probably opt to grow, but I doubt most people will bother with growing, drying and storing, when they could just pop to the shops.

True. Thinking about it some more I think the reality will be there is some small scale home growing and the rest will come from the Caribbean or parts of Europe where legal canabbis farms will take hold. No need for expensive hydroponics when you can just import it, much like most of our tomatoes come from Spain/Southern Europe and mangos from Africa.

At the rate we are going we are going to be one of the last countries to legalise cannabis in the west so there will already be plenty of farms available to import from.

 

[tbyeah]

So Boots start knocking out coke for £50 a gram and your local drug dealer just undercuts them. Also, the social stigma of running into your boss in Boots and that awkward moment as you hand over your money for a weekends supply. Most people will always go to the cheapest source.

Have you read ANYTHING that's been posted on this matter?

Small dealer can't produce as efficiently or cheaply, will have to charge more. Boots would undercut them significantly and be readily able to do so due to production methods.

 

[Wazz-1]

Would they though? Its really easy to make your own beer, but most of it is bought.

People who use the stuff every day will probably opt to grow, but I doubt most people will bother with growing, drying and storing, when they could just pop to the shops.

Have you tried home brew beer!

And the costs involved in mass producing cannabis is huge.

 

[do_ron_ron]

Yeah, I just read about this, scares the be-jesus out of me the thought of an execution, what on earth must be going through their minds (in before someone says 'a bullet'), just horrible. Surely life in prison would be punishment enough, I know the drugs could/would go on to potentially kill many people but still, firing squad? uurrggghhh.....

Indonesia has signs saying you will be executed for drug smuggling. People who deicide to gamble their lives for a quick profit have no come back.

It is their country, their laws. Who gives us the right to say you must change your laws to suit our countries ethics.

 

[Amp34]

Have you tried home brew beer!

And the costs involved in mass producing cannabis is huge.

That's why you import it from somewhere it grows easily. Once legal it would cost no more than mangos and oranges to produce.

Illegal sellers are going to have trouble keeping their costs that low of growing in the UK. The only thing they could do is import illegally and avoid the tax that would certainly be levied on it (much like tobacco).

 

[tbyeah]

Have you tried home brew beer!

And the costs involved in mass producing cannabis is huge.

It still wouldn't be that expensive, in an industrial greenhouse I see no reason it would be much more expensive than many commercially grown plants.

 

[Sega Mega Dave]

We really are missing a trick here.

I'm sure some of you have seen The Running Man.

Once a month on a Saturday at 10pm there should be a live show, hosted by Bruce Forsyth.

Murderers, rapists, drug traffikers etc... sent down to play the game. Have it set up as a PPV and money raised goes back into the community. It would be delightful.

Lets be honest a few serious crims being killed off is no issue, we aren't an endangered species so it's no problem. Plus it's entertainment for the whole family!

 

[Amp34]

"Now remember kids, violence is bad!"

"Now let's go torture and kill some criminals!"

 

[Sega Mega Dave]

Right or wrong, there are many who die each second that are far less deserving than these guys.

I really couldn't careless, it doesn't raise an eyebrow or even make me feel slightly uncomfortable.

 

[C.R.A.Z.Y]

It is their country, their laws. Who gives us the right to say you must change your laws to suit our countries ethics.

Because it's barbaric, ineffective (as a deterrent), uncivilized and ultimately allows the criminals to dictate the morality of our society/species!

Just because it's in another country doesn't mean we can't be outraged by it and air our views, by your logic we should also stand idly by as gay people are executed and women are stoned to death.

Peacefully protesting is how these things can and do get changed, your indifferent un-empathetic attitude simply allows these atrocity's to continue

 

[Uther]

I can understand if they're lesser drug crimes - like silly drug mules, then facing execution, that should be some level of homeland government intervention to an exception.

However, these guys are core criminals, been at it for years and they chose to risk it through a country that serves death for drug trafficking. I personally won't have given it a second glance. It's a deterrent many SEA countries uses - Singapore / Malaysia, especially when they're global hubs and it's the law of their land.

Aussie or not, they did the crime on their land. Gun execution does sound horrible, but then again, what type of execution is going to be painless?

This. Although I think I would rather be shot than given a bodge job lethal injection, gassed, electrocuted, or hanged.

 

[Rroff]

Can't say I gave another thought to those actively involved in it that were executed. However I don't believe its effective as a deterrent and there is the chance of people being framed, fall foul of some random screw up on the law enforcement part or coerced, etc. who would potentially end up being executed.

 

[Cold_And_Miserable]

Lets be honest a few serious crims being killed off is no issue, we aren't an endangered species so it's no problem. Plus it's entertainment for the whole family!

Forced labour camps, radioactive waste disposal and medical experimentation should be used to keep all of our rapists & murderers contributing back to society.

If execution is necessary then I'd suggest live burial with just enough air to die as slowly as possible.

 

[Spook187]

Its a form of natural selection: Those stupid enough to get involved with drugs often end up dead. It actually improves the gene pool in that regard.

You sound like one of Hitlers squads with disturbing comments about being some sort of master race, do you realize what you have just said there.