Indonesia Executions

Thompson_NCL said:
Its a form of natural selection: Those stupid enough to get involved with drugs often end up dead. It actually improves the gene pool in that regard.
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Not really that often.

With the estimated 2.7 million people who take recreational (illegal) drugs in the UK, there are ~2000 deaths due to it : 0.074%. Most of that is overdosing with Heroin, which in itself is a small % of the overall recreational drug use, and that is down to the fact there is no control over purity.

So really, mostly often people take their recreational drugs, have a good time, and continue with their productive lives normally :p
 
It wasn't just two Aussies, eight people were executed from various countries. A ninth was nearly executed but was stopped at the last minute as someone in the Philippines confessed to framing her.

Indonesia is a backwards country, they don't have a robust justice system, they implement elements of Sharia law, they really shouldn't be executing citizens of other countries let alone their own.
 
Break the law in the country you're in, expect to suffer the consequences. I agree it's not the 'nicest' of executions but if that's the way they do things then you can't argue it.
 
This is bent as hell. I usually support the death penalty but not for something like drug smuggling. Not every smuggler is a hardcore criminal, in fact very few are. Most are people who just saw an opportunity to make some quick cash and went for it without thinking about it. If someone is a repeat offender then that's a different story but from a quick read around the only two mentioned as having a prior offense were the aussies.

Of course we don't know the whole story and how far the investigation went, if there even was one, but I don't support these actions at all.
 
Maccy said:
Break the law in the country you're in, expect to suffer the consequences. I agree it's not the 'nicest' of executions but if that's the way they do things then you can't argue it.
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Well, you can. Just like you can, and we often do, argue against other human rights abuses in foreign lands.

Simply being a law doesn't make it just.
 
Mr Jones said:
I can understand if they're lesser drug crimes - like silly drug mules, then facing execution, that should be some level of homeland government intervention to an exception.

However, these guys are core criminals, been at it for years and they chose to risk it through a country that serves death for drug trafficking. I personally won't have given it a second glance. It's a deterrent many SEA countries uses - Singapore / Malaysia, especially when they're global hubs and it's the law of their land.

Aussie or not, they did the crime on their land. Gun execution does sound horrible, but then again, what type of execution is going to be painless?
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Interesting aside - Utah in the US has just re enacted a law allowing death by firing squad for executions...

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/24/utah-execution-firing-squad-death-penalty
 
Terminal_Boy said:
We'd have a few empty prison cells for a start.
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Great. What you going to do with them?

(and, really, supporting the idea of capital punishment - actually having people killed in the name of the law - when your best supporting response is to clear a few beds is a bit morally dubious, surely)
 
I believe there is a British Grandmother up next.

Don't agree with the death penalty at all and these guys shouldn't have been shot but they were trying to import many KG's of dangerous drugs into Australia.
 
Terminal_Boy said:
Exactly.

If only the our government had the spine to act likewise.
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I agree, if they had the spine to tell the US to shove their drugs policy where the sun doesn't shine, and ignore the baying of tabloid newspapers our drugs policy would be in a much better state. Listen to the science, rearrange the drug catagories to account for actual harm, decriminalise possession (see Portugal as an example) and stop the petty "War on drugs" that only causes more violence and crime.

Perhaps if the drugs trade was regulated there would be far less danger from things like overdoses (regulated purity of drugs used), easier access to treatment for addicts and bringing the trade to light. Why go to a dodgy criminal down a dark alley when you can go to a pharmacy instead?
 
Freakbro said:
To be fair, they only stopped using it in 2010 :p
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Which makes it even "worse". Tbh if I had a choice I'd probably choose firing squad rather than lethal injection, which by all accounts can regularly be quite terrible. I'd probably choose beheading over it too, quick and simple.
 
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