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Intel 10th Gen Comet Lake thread

Grim5 said:
Intel already knows 10th gen comet lake is DOA so 11th gen Rocket Lake developement is well underway way and ES chips are appearing on 3D Mark

https://wccftech.com/intel-11th-gen-rocket-lake-s-desktop-8-core-16-thread-cpu-spotted/

11th gen Rocket Lake is due Q4 2020, giving 10th gen owners just about 4 month before they have to upgrade again to a new motherboard. if 10th gen isn't a desperate cash grab I don't know what is
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Wrote that when the 10th series was announced with the rumours for the 11th series at the end of the year (that was around Xmas time).

Intel is trying to pull a fast one and is nothing new. 2017 did that with the 7700K. Introduced the Z270 motherboard, instead of just using Z170 and within 6 months made the whole thing EOL and had the Z370 platform with the 8700K. 6 MONTHS!!! On a CPU that many in here were buying pre-binned for £800 even when AMD had the 1000 series out, with top of the range motherboards north of £900.

And 11th series would be DOA. Not because it would need to fight Zen 3, but because in 2021 both companies plan to move to DDR5 and PCIe 5.0.
2020 is the worst year to buy new hardware, except if someone upgrades to Ryzen 4000 CPU having already everything else. Even GPUs are not going to be that good considering next year we have MCM GPUs by both AMD & NVIDIA.

Consoles on the other hand, look like the best future proof investment for the next 7 years.
 
Comet Lake is like Intel's Bulldozer moment.

Just watched the HardwareUnboxed review of new CL-H lappy getting absolutely destroyed by Ryzen 4000 lappy that has much better performance with massively lower power draw and huge battery life in comparison!

CL desktop vs Ryzen 4000 desktop will be a similar story (I know 4000 on mobile is different to desktop, which will have even better ipc).
 
Boot_Loop said:
Comet Lake is like Intel's Bulldozer moment.

Just watched the HardwareUnboxed review of new CL-H lappy getting absolutely destroyed by Ryzen 4000 lappy that has much better performance with massively lower power draw and huge battery life in comparison!

CL desktop vs Ryzen 4000 desktop will be a similar story (I know 4000 on mobile is different to desktop, which will have even better ipc).
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Bulldozer was so poor hardly a fare comparison
 
KillBoY_UK said:
Bulldozer was so poor hardly a fare comparison
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You'd think that but it really isn't if you watch a review of Ryzen 4900HS vs Comet Lake 10875H laptops.

The Ryzen is generally massively faster, identical single core, and the nail in the coffin: draws much less power and runs cooler... I mean this is losing on almost every single facet aside from having smaller cache. This is Bulldozer for Intel.

EDIT: I expect the same situation with Rocket Lake vs Ryzen 4000 desktop later this year. Badly inefficient and costly 14nm CPUs vs refined and efficient 7nm CPUs from AMD.
 
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Boot_Loop said:
You'd think that but it really isn't if you watch a review of Ryzen 4900HS vs Comet Lake 10875H laptops.

The Ryzen is generally massively faster, identical single core, and the nail in the coffin: draws much less power and runs cooler... I mean this is losing on almost every single facet aside from having smaller cache. This is Bulldozer for Intel.

EDIT: I expect the same situation with Rocket Lake vs Ryzen 4000 desktop later this year. Badly inefficient and costly 14nm CPUs vs refined and efficient 7nm CPUs from AMD.
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As you pointed out AMD do have a node advantage so i would expect a much cooler less power hungry CPU than someone on 14nm in a similar performance envelope, they won't have that forever.
 
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KillBoY_UK said:
you forget how shockingly slow Bulldozer with the "8 cores" (which AMD lost a case over) was vs Sandy bridge back in the day as well as hot, and late.
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I haven't forgotten, i had one.

Intel's CPU's don't under perform, they are very good in that regard but you have to admit the power consumption to achieve that performance is very high, in that sense they are like Bulldozer, a 35 Watt 8 core Ryzen Mobile is as quick as Intel desktop 8 core with four times that power consumption, that's bad, that's really bad.
 
KillBoY_UK said:
As you pointed out AMD do have a node advantage so i would expect a much cooler less power hungry CPU than someone on 14nm in a similar performance envelope, they won't have that forever.
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Not forever no, but for the foreseeable future. Next year it'll be 5nm vs Intel's 10nm unless they try to jettison the hot mess they made there with trying to get 10nm to scale up to desktop core counts/clocks and try to rush forward 7nm in its place (2022 realistically).

What I'm saying is they'll be at a node disadvantage going forward, it's a question of whether their new arch on a new node can compete with Ryzen 5000 on 5nm next year.
 
MSI z490 lineup and pics leak

https://videocardz.com/newz/msi-meg-z490-godlike-flagship-motherboard-pictured

Aberage price seems to be about 300 Euro and top of the line godlike is just under 1k Euro.

these prices at first glance seem really expensive for no good reason but looking more closely you'll notice that these boards support PCIe4.

Even though comet lake a does NOT support pcie4, MSI is putting it into its boards, at least the high end ones and this has caused the significant price hike over z390
 
Grim5 said:
MSI z490 lineup and pics leak

https://videocardz.com/newz/msi-meg-z490-godlike-flagship-motherboard-pictured

Aberage price seems to be about 300 Euro and top of the line godlike is just under 1k Euro.

these prices at first glance seem really expensive for no good reason but looking more closely you'll notice that these boards support PCIe4.

Even though comet lake a does NOT support pcie4, MSI is putting it into its boards, at least the high end ones and this has caused the significant price hike over z390
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And they all will be dead before the year is out, as Rocket Lake won't work with them.

KillBoY_UK said:
you forget how shockingly slow Bulldozer with the "8 cores" (which AMD lost a case over) was vs Sandy bridge back in the day as well as hot, and late.
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There is a dispute on this. True single core performance was abysmal due to the calculator. However look how Bulldozer performs today games moves to multicore support, compared to Sandy Bridge quad cores who just sweat and cannot keep up.
 
Grim5 said:
MSI z490 lineup and pics leak

https://videocardz.com/newz/msi-meg-z490-godlike-flagship-motherboard-pictured

Aberage price seems to be about 300 Euro and top of the line godlike is just under 1k Euro.

these prices at first glance seem really expensive for no good reason but looking more closely you'll notice that these boards support PCIe4.

Even though comet lake a does NOT support pcie4, MSI is putting it into its boards, at least the high end ones and this has caused the significant price hike over z390
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LOL? So most of that price is for the OLED screen?
 
Grim5 said:
MSI z490 lineup and pics leak

https://videocardz.com/newz/msi-meg-z490-godlike-flagship-motherboard-pictured

Aberage price seems to be about 300 Euro and top of the line godlike is just under 1k Euro.

these prices at first glance seem really expensive for no good reason but looking more closely you'll notice that these boards support PCIe4.

Even though comet lake a does NOT support pcie4, MSI is putting it into its boards, at least the high end ones and this has caused the significant price hike over z390
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Same price as what the X570 boards were at tbh. Not really a surprise at that really.
 
Curlyriff said:
Same price as what the X570 boards were at tbh. Not really a surprise at that really.
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the x570 godlike was 777 euro
The z490 godlike is 960 euro

definitely looks like the same price.

Also to correct my post not all z490 has pcie4, only top of the line models
 
Grim5 said:
the x570 godlike was 777 euro
The z490 godlike is 960 euro

definitely looks like the same price.

Also to correct my post not all z490 has pcie4, only top of the line models
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The Godlike RRP at release was £777 and the euro to £ at moment puts that at around £837. So £60 more so pretty similar at least to what they were. Not hundreds different.

Pretty sure the Godlike also had a promotion price of £777/€777/$777 cause of date anyways as it didn't seem to matter on exchange at time and was all about release date to costs.

Taking into account the dual thunderbolt 3 support, pled screen and the current market climate we have £60 isn't as much of a gouge as I expected for Intel.

Indeed zero reason for PCIE 4.0 if that the case since not supported from the CPU but yeah.
 
ASUS boards also just leaked the lineup, but no pcie4 on any models not even the high end. Might be a MSI only thing or maybe a misprint? It would be strange to have pcie4 when the cpu doesn't support and there are so few lanes on the platform to use
 
Curlyriff said:
Indeed zero reason for PCIE 4.0 if that the case since not supported from the CPU but yeah.
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Is misleading to advertise them as PCIe 4.0, given that the CPU doesn't support it and there is no chance to get support EVER. Rocket Lake has it's own chipset when comes out Q4 2020.
 
Coffee Lake die and Comet Lake die, yes they look practically identical.

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I wonder if MSI are putting some kind of separate PCIe 4 controller on the board for the same NVMe juiciness we see on X570? Because otherwise there is literally zero point because Skylake++++++++++++++++++++++++++ does not have a PCIe 4 controller.

Unless it's a typo.
 
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