Intel 45nm mainstream quad core comes in March

bikes · 2 Feb 2008 at 16:37

Pneumonic said:
if you want an 8 or 8.5 multiplier then you are going to be spending a lot more cash..

I am not saying these aren't nice cool running CPUs that use less power and will clock nicely.. just that they are disapointing in regards to multi and that if you have a good Q6600 G0 then it isnt worth the upgrade

I agree.

I was going to upgrade from my Q6600 GO, but I honestly dont think it would be worth it, except to say "ooh aint I good, I've got the latest quad from Intel and that my epeen has grown" :rolleyes:

I dont think I will upgrade again for at least the next 12 Months.

easyrider · 2 Feb 2008 at 17:14

bikes said:
I agree.

I was going to upgrade from my Q6600 GO, but I honestly dont think it would be worth it, except to say "ooh aint I good, I've got the latest quad from Intel and that my epeen has grown"

I dont think I will upgrade again for at least the next 12 Months.

Nothing to do with the extra SS4 instruction sets that see massive gains in

multimedia tasks then?

easyrider · 2 Feb 2008 at 17:16

Pneumonic said:
well from what I have read its 5-10% performance increase per clock which would put it at around 3.7/3.8 not 4ghz.. my point is that the max most people will get out of a *7.5 multi yorkfield which is the eqivialnt to the Q6600 is 450*7.5 = 3375mhz.. tbh that isnt worth the upgrade if you have a 3.6ghz Q6600.. if you want an 8 or 8.5 multiplier then you are going to be spending a lot more cash..

I am not saying these aren't nice cool running CPUs that use less power and will clock nicely.. just that they are disapointing in regards to multi and that if you have a good Q6600 G0 then it isnt worth the upgrade

Just over 200 will see you a Q9450 that will give anyone on a P35 or X38

chipset 3.6ghz.

Considering a 8400 is a 145 and a 8500 is near enough 200 the Q9450 offers great value.

bikes · 2 Feb 2008 at 17:20

easyrider said:
Nothing to do with the extra SS4 instruction sets that see massive gains in

multimedia tasks then?

Define massive gains, seeing the Q9450 aint even out yet

easyrider · 2 Feb 2008 at 17:23

bikes said:
Define massive gains, seeing the Q9450 aint even out yet

Wolfdale has the SS4 instructions too,

Just that Q9450 has two extra cores.

bikes · 2 Feb 2008 at 17:31

Well unless a Q9450 can encode and burn a dvd in half the time my Q6600 can now, then for me at least, I cannot justify an upgrade.

Pneumonic · 2 Feb 2008 at 18:34

seeing as the Q9450 isnt the direct replacement for the Q6600 its a little bit of a poor comparison.. from all account the Q9450 will retail for around £210-£220 inc vat compared to £160-£170 for a Q6600

the direct replacement the Q9300 will struggle to reach 3.6ghz unless you can show me a motherboard that will run a quadcore @ 480FSB 24/7 without a lot of fiddling

Kirth Gersen · 2 Feb 2008 at 18:36

easyrider said:
Just over 200 will see you a Q9450 that will give anyone on a P35 or X38

chipset 3.6ghz.

Considering a 8400 is a 145 and a 8500 is near enough 200 the Q9450 offers great value.

Not convinced. The average preorder price is about £215 at the moment. That's over £50 more than a Q6600. Those of us with less than spectacular boards and RAM are going to be held back by the 8 multi, despite the fact that they run 10C cooler.

When you take the move from 65nm to 45nm from E6750 to E8400 where we actually pay less... well that is a no brainer. This one is not so clear cut IMHO.

Talrinys · 2 Feb 2008 at 18:37

It just might, extra cache + those instruction sets will do wonders, really noticed how slow encoding was when i did a bit of video work a couple of weeks ago, SSE4 showed massive gains in Divx a couple of weeks ago i remember, when intel was first previewing the chips.

Pneumonic · 2 Feb 2008 at 18:44

Kirth Gersen said:
When you take the move from 65nm to 45nm from E6750 to E8400 where we actually pay less... well that is a no brainer. This one is not so clear cut IMHO.

That I agree with..

The "low end" yorkfields however simply arent a good upgrade if you have a good Q6600 G0

Pneumonic · 2 Feb 2008 at 18:47

Kirth Gersen said:
Not convinced. The average preorder price is about £215 at the moment. That's over £50 more than a Q6600. Those of us with less than spectacular boards and RAM are going to be held back by the 8 multi, despite the fact that they run 10C cooler.

FSB for the new yorkfields is going to be there downside.. 450FSB+ 24/7 stable simply isnt easy to get on a quad

Kirth Gersen · 2 Feb 2008 at 18:55

So if 3.6Ghz is going to be a tall order no matter what set up on air, you have to ask why bother?

easyrider · 2 Feb 2008 at 19:06

Kirth Gersen said:
So if 3.6Ghz is going to be a tall order no matter what set up on air, you have to ask why bother?

450 FSB on my quads has never been an issue both on my P35 and X38.

easyrider · 2 Feb 2008 at 19:10

Pneumonic said:
seeing as the Q9450 isnt the direct replacement for the Q6600 its a little bit of a poor comparison.. from all account the Q9450 will retail for around £210-£220 inc vat compared to £160-£170 for a Q6600

the direct replacement the Q9300 will struggle to reach 3.6ghz unless you can show me a motherboard that will run a quadcore @ 480FSB 24/7 without a lot of fiddling

The extra 30 quid more over the Q6600 alone is worth it for the power,heat

and extra instruction sets.

Depends on how you make the comparison.If its price then the 8500 for just

under 200 with two less cores is clarly a rip off.

easyrider · 2 Feb 2008 at 19:12

Pneumonic said:
That I agree with..

The "low end" yorkfields however simply arent a good upgrade if you have a good Q6600 G0

The only chip to get in the range imo is the Q9450 with the 8x multi.

I have no interest in any other quad chip in the range.

bikes · 2 Feb 2008 at 21:16

easyrider said:
The only chip to get in the range imo is the Q9450 with the 8x multi.

Agreed.

If I was upgrading of course

Can see a huge demand for this chip.

Perfect_Chaos · 2 Feb 2008 at 21:39

So is Q6600 g0 still the better chip?

any benchmarks around of this new processor to prove its faster? i cant see it being massively better

Pneumonic · 3 Feb 2008 at 01:42

well I am not getting into an argument about it.. people can spend their money as they wish.. but in a couple of months time when all the new Q9450 owners cant hit more than 3.6/3.7ghz stable as they realise that 90% of motherboards cant do 450+ 24/7 without a lot of messing (by this I am talking about more than 450FSB i.e. 463 for 3.7ghz) I will point them to your recommendation of the CPU.. ofc there are going to be people running them faster as is the situation now.. but how many people on this board run a Quad at 4ghz+ 24/7? will be exactly the same % of people achieving 3.7+ on the Q9450

Frankly as I started out I do not see the point of upgrading from a good Q6600 G0 spending £220 odd for a few more instruction sets and a 5-10% per clock performance increase.. If you want to spend £220 put your G0 under water and run 24/7 stable @ 4ghz and you will have a nice little setup for the next round of intel CPU when they might actually be reason to upgrade

easyrider · 3 Feb 2008 at 02:10

Pneumonic said:
well I am not getting into an argument about it.. people can spend their money as they wish.. but in a couple of months time when all the new Q9450 owners cant hit more than 3.6/3.7ghz stable as they realise that 90% of motherboards cant do 450+ 24/7 without a lot of messing (by this I am talking about more than 450FSB i.e. 463 for 3.7ghz) I will point them to your recommendation of the CPU.. ofc there are going to be people running them faster as is the situation now.. but how many people on this board run a Quad at 4ghz+ 24/7? will be exactly the same % of people achieving 3.7+ on the Q9450

Frankly as I started out I do not see the point of upgrading from a good Q6600 G0 spending £220 odd for a few more instruction sets and a 5-10% per clock performance increase.. If you want to spend £220 put your G0 under water and run 24/7 stable @ 4ghz and you will have a nice little setup for the next round of intel CPU when they might actually be reason to upgrade

@3.6ghz Q9450 I will have a faster PC

with SS4 instructions ,cooler and less power.Its worth the 60 quid it will cost

me from 65nm to 45nm tech

Sold my Q6600 for 145 and the extra 60 quid is worth it .

People have sold Q6600 for wolfdale....

Q9450 is honney in the tree.

Bin Boy · 3 Feb 2008 at 03:12

Q9450 45nm

790i SLi Ultra

DDR3

thats my vision to upgrade to