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Intel Arc series unveiled with the Alchemist dGPU to arrive in Q1 2022

I wouldn't call 3060-ish performance (slightly above or below depending on what games people tested) "great" really. That card was laughed at when it came out. Intel were targeting the 3070 in their roadmap last year. In reality they've fallen well short of a 3060 Ti.
 
It's not just drivers though. GN in their video have said they saw issues with no display at boot, this is before any drivers even load so there is an inherent problem going on and it seems either Intel need to do more testing or allow early adopters to do the beta testing for them...
Nvidia had the same with old cards and displayport but fixed it with a firmware
 
Nvidia had the same with old cards and displayport but fixed it with a firmware

Hmm true enough, although how does one update the firmware if one can't get it to display :D

CSGO, most popular game on steam and ARC performance is dire, I guess this can't not be fixed. A bad look for Arc and intel.

Yeah it's because for that level of directx they use a wrapper to translate to a later version of directx, that will introduce an overheard. Also keep in mind that without resize bar support, the arc cards are absolutely pointless, so any system want for mid range gaming, the system must support resize bar.
 
Performance per $ is better than the RTX 3060 and RTX 3060Ti but it is NOT as good as the RX 6600 or RX 6600XT.

That's why Intel ignored AMD, as i said.

The 16GB one, which is $350 needs to be $300 even if it was a case of it working as well as its competitors, which it doesn't.

Its too expensive, change my mind....



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The ResizeBar is going to hurt them a lot as most end users don’t know what the BIOS is, never mind how to update it. Even systems that support it don’t have it on by default and it's not 100% obvious how to enable it (in the BIOD).
Also, people that play old game’s or newer game that use older API’s should avoid them. At £220-280, they will sell, add a few game codes for games that are known to work well, and they will sell well. Intel will probably do a bundle deal for CPU+GPU.
 
With GPU's just as fast for the same money or much less if you take a small performance hit from an establish brand that "Just works" why would anyone buy this?

That's like saying: No, i wont have the £18,000 VW Golf, i'll have the Dacia equivalent for £18,000.

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Pretending the competition doesn't exist in't going to work for you Intel, and we should all bloody well hope it doesn't. the A770 is a $250 card, at that price i'm good with it.
 
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Watching the review on Linus Tech Tips and he makes the same points above, about the card and the driver support, but points out people cannot just ask for more companies/competitors in the GPU market, for better prices and performance, then turn around and by Nvidia anyway.

If you want more competition then people are going to have to support the competitors or we will end up again with the same lop-sided duopoly we have.
 
Somewhat better than I expected, albeit very inconsistent.

It's good to see something fresh and new in the market, however.
I'm just glad they haven't thrown the towel in and didn't think it made sense to do so at such an early point anyway.

It'll be very interesting to see how things shape over the coming months/years.
 
Watching the review on Linus Tech Tips and he makes the same points above, about the card and the driver support, but points out people cannot just ask for more companies/competitors in the GPU market, for better prices and performance, then turn around and by [buy] Nvidia anyway.

If you want more competition then people are going to have to support the competitors or we will end up again with the same lop-sided duopoly we have.
Why not? People have been doing "I wish AMD would be compete at the high end, so I can buy Nvidia cards for less" for years, haven't they?

Pity nobody does a perf/transistors chart as this would come at the bottom!

See that ComputerBase were generous and left their perf/watt tables out of their review.
 
This was not quite the total disaster I feared, the raytracing performance is quite impressive for the price and these are definitely better than the catastrophic A380, but Intel do still have many problems to fix and I believe anyone who doesn't want hassle shouldn't buy these cards in their current state.
 
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With GPU's just as fast for the same money or much less if you take a small performance hit from an establish brand that "Just works" why would anyone buy this?
Well, I've seen tons of comments (no really, you can't get away from them) saying how great this is for a first effort and how we should all be supporting Intel and really just glad these cards exist at all, so I'm sure all those people will be rushing to open their wallets next week and not just hyping the competition online in the hope it'll bring down the price of the Nvidia card they actually want.
 
Its just Intel who can bring Nvidia prices down is it? ^^^^^ is there no one else?


Watching the review on Linus Tech Tips and he makes the same points above, about the card and the driver support, but points out people cannot just ask for more companies/competitors in the GPU market, for better prices and performance, then turn around and by Nvidia anyway.

If you want more competition then people are going to have to support the competitors or we will end up again with the same lop-sided duopoly we have.
Yes, the whole reason for Intel entering this space is to provide better competition, what is competition if not to stop the runaway prices, to make decent performance cards affordable?

I buy nothing but ##70 class cards, i'm in that category, if you go back and look at my early posts in this thread you can see i was excited about the prospect of Intel joining this product space, its not that i have a downer on Intel, tho as a company i think they are just as bad as Nvidia if not worse given a chance.

With all of that said this has no benefit to us what so ever, Intel are already charging more than the competition for products that are not as good, and they haven't even got started yet, thank you Steve Burke for not doing what i have no doubt Intel wanted you to do and that is to ignore AMD completely. https://youtu.be/nEvdrbxTtVo?t=1542

With that now also said who is actually providing what well all say we want? So with that in mind what sort of message do we want to send as consumers? Do we want to say to AMD, and to Intel for that matter that actually yes we are sick of all this and if you do right by us we WILL support you!
 
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got 5 office machines to build in the coming months, i may just go all blue for them................
was looking at 3050s but these will do just fine if the price is right.
 
With GPU's just as fast for the same money or much less if you take a small performance hit from an establish brand that "Just works" why would anyone buy this? [..]

I can think of 4 reasons. None of them are good enough IMO (except for the 4th reason in some niche cases), but they are reasons.

1) Hope. It looks to me like the Arc A770 hardware has the potential to have better price/performance than a 6600XT or 6650XT or 6700XT. Obviously better price/performance than nvidia cards, but that's a given because nvidia has made itself a fashion brand so it can overcharge. It's actually AMD that Arc is competing with. Or, more accurately, currently failing to compete with since AMD cards offer a better price/performance in the same segment of the market. Which is probably the main reason why Intel is ignoring AMD and pretending to be competing only with nvidia. But the performance of Arc is all over the place, from better than a 6700XT to worse than an RX580. I think that there's the potential for a significant performance improvement from software. So someone might buy an Arc 770 with the hope that in time it will be better value for money than competing cards.

2) To promote more competition in the dGPU market. Knowingly buying an inferior product to try to make some change in the market. Which is also hope.

3) Because they enjoy being a beta tester. Presumably these people would have two PCs - one they actually use as a PC and another they use for beta testing.

4) Other computing uses in which more VRAM is useful. It's much cheaper than other graphics cards with 16GB.

Am I buying one? No. I don't like being a beta tester and I don't have a spare PC for beta testing. I might buy an early access game, but I won't be buying an early access graphics card.
 
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