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Intel Arc series unveiled with the Alchemist dGPU to arrive in Q1 2022

humbug said:
Its just Intel who can bring Nvidia prices down is it? ^^^^^ is there no one else?



Yes, the whole reason for Intel entering this space is to provide better competition, what is competition if not to stop the runaway prices, to make decent performance cards affordable?

I buy nothing but ##70 class cards, i'm in that category, if you go back and look at my early posts in this thread you can see i was excited about the prospect of Intel joining this product space, its not that i have a downer on Intel, tho as a company i think they are just as bad as Nvidia if not worse given a chance.

With all of that said this has no benefit to us what so ever, Intel are already charging more than the competition for products that are not as good, and they haven't even got started yet, thank you Steve Burke for not doing what i have no doubt Intel wanted you to do and that is to ignore AMD completely. https://youtu.be/nEvdrbxTtVo?t=1542

With that now also said who is actually providing what well all say we want? So with that in mind what sort of message do we want to send as consumers? Do we want to say to AMD, and to Intel for that matter that actually yes we are sick of all this and if you do right by us we WILL support you!
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Intel’s reason for making GPU's is to make money, they don’t give a #### about making NV/AMD reducing prices. It’s better for them if NV/AMD prices are high. The main GPU market is not gaming, it has moved to the data centres and workstations, and they don’t care about DX9,10,11. Just like with NV/AMD, the best chips go to high margin sales and gamers get the leftovers. Intel wants to be in the data centre, and this is the first step. I think it’s a good first step, it’s not the best for gamers so will probably not do well (for games) unless they sell them cheap to big OEM’s.
 
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FredFlint said:
The ResizeBar is going to hurt them a lot as most end users don’t know what the BIOS is, never mind how to update it. Even systems that support it don’t have it on by default and it's not 100% obvious how to enable it (in the BIOD).
Also, people that play old game’s or newer game that use older API’s should avoid them. At £220-280, they will sell, add a few game codes for games that are known to work well, and they will sell well. Intel will probably do a bundle deal for CPU+GPU.
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I'm an avid PC gamer and I have never even heard of Resizebar. Arc is dead in the water for me, I really do not want to have to check my games to see which API they use and if they will run ok.
 
233 said:
got 5 office machines to build in the coming months, i may just go all blue for them................
was looking at 3050s but these will do just fine if the price is right.
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If I was paying the electricity bills I wouldn't use these for office machines.
You are looking at an extra 40W or so per machine at idle.
With current energy prices, that will add to a non trivial difference per year.
 
smilingcrow said:
If I was paying the electricity bills I wouldn't use these for office machines.
You are looking at an extra 40W or so per machine at idle.
With current energy prices, that will add to a non trivial difference per year.
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Was glad to see that Intel are being consistent with their poor power to performance ratio on their GPUs and CPUs. I’m thinking of building a full Intel system to replace our central heating.
 
So they do poorly in older/lower requirements titles which rules out people that don't want bleeding-edge and only really compete where amd/nvidia have a strong hold / people that won't take a risk on bad drivers. So not a great buying idea for... anyone?
 
Mesai said:
Was glad to see that Intel are being consistent with their poor power to performance ratio on their GPUs and CPUs. I’m thinking of building a full Intel system to replace our central heating.
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You will be saying the same for AMD gpus and Nvidia gpus this generation ;). Wait for the reviews and the silly power use on these cards to come.
 
Ayahuasca said:
It's easy for him to say that.

There's no point buying into a product "just because". It needs to do what you want it to do, which these Intel cards don't for my usage.
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Don't forget that had people not supported AMD during the tough times then we would likely not have ryzen and maybe AMD at all.
 
Joxeon said:
Don't forget that had people not supported AMD during the tough times then we would likely not have ryzen and maybe AMD at all.
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People bought AMD while AMD wasn't top dog because their products made sense for their personal or business case.

The majority of the time they priced for value for money.

People "supported" buying a product which made sense.
 
Purgatory said:
You will be saying the same for AMD gpus and Nvidia gpus this generation ;). Wait for the reviews and the silly power use on these cards to come.
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No doubt they’ll be power hungry monsters, especially the Nvidia one (based on what we’ve seen), but at least you get performance for that power. I watched the HU review for ARC and they were way worse in terms of efficiency, relative to their competitors.

Will be interesting to see whether the Nvidia cards deliver equivalent performance for the increased power. At least we know they generally undervolt well.
 
Linus" Please buy this car it has 3 good wheels and one wonkly, but Intel might get it fixed before it falls off"

Yes Linus I will buy half a dozen, just for you because you asked nicey.:p
 
The Arc hardware is good and shows glimpses of what it can do, in benchmarking, such as in Metro Exodus.

Also, the RT tests show it can go toe to toe with Nvidia and leave AMD far behind.

What it will come down to is drivers and how fast it can release updates and fixes especially for older API's, and if Intel can do this then maybe it can compete, but until it has the drivers to match the hardware this is just 50% of a GPU.

Though to be honest I am seriously thinking of buying the A770 as gaming is only part of the PC experience for me as I like tinkering and fixing problems and Arc appears it will keep me both busy and happy.
 
Unless there is some drive shenanigans going on, ARC seems to excel at certain types of RT effects more than Nvidia - so we see some games where ARC is on par with the 3060 in RT and then some games where it's closer to a 3070, such as Metro Exodus
 
random_matt said:
Now I am out, was perhaps going to buy one. **** that cheap out ****.
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Exactly .. once he took it apart it started to look like cheap knock off, also all them stupid extra PCBs and cables are a joke really. What a mess really, I have seen prototypes of devices in better condition than that mess.
 
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