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Intel Battlemage Live & Available to order from OcUK

McPhee said:
Yes. And sales tax applies to all of these cards, does it not?

If sales tax were 20%, the B580 would be $300 inc. tax, and the 4060 would be $348 inc. tax.

$290/$250=1.16. The RTX 4060 is 16% more expensive before applying sales tax.
$348/$300=1.16. The RTX 4060 is 16% more expensive after applying sales tax.

Whether you include sales tax or don't include sales tax, it has absolutely no impact on the relative pricing of the products.
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The price of $250 doesn't include sales tax. In the US sales tax varies from state to state. The lowest rate is 0% (in four states) and it goes as high as about 12%.

Because of the variation, US prices are always given before tax. UK prices legally have to be given inclusive of VAT (unless exclusively selling to non consumers).

People in the UK often compare tax free prices in the US with taxed prices in the UK. The difference is much bigger than the difference between our tax free prices.
 
spudbynight said:
The price of $250 doesn't include sales tax. In the US sales tax varies from state to state. The lowest rate is 0% (in four states) and it goes as high as about 12%.

Because of the variation, US prices are always given before tax. UK prices legally have to be given inclusive of VAT (unless exclusively selling to non consumers).

People in the UK often compare tax free prices in the US with taxed prices in the UK. The difference is much bigger than the difference between our tax free prices.
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Yes, and where is the relevance?

The B580 is $250 in the US. The cheapest 4060 (according to the well known PC part comparison site) is $290. That makes the 4060 16% more expensive in the US. It is still 16% more expensive after adding sales tax because... that's how maths works.

In the UK, the B580 starts at £250 (or £260 really, now that the reference card has sold out). The cheapest 4060 is £240 (i.e. it's 4% cheaper than the B580, or 8% cheaper if we take into account the reference card being OOS).

The point is that the B580 is cheaper in the US relative to competing cards.
 
The relevance is that the large number of people who compare UK prices with VAT on them against US prices which don't include sales taxes. Loads of people have been complaining in the UK that the $250 card in the US is £250 in the UK and as such not as good a deal.

Don't take this up with me, take it up with the people complaining about this.
 
Gibbo said:
Anyone who pre-ordered will get one, the next 150 are due around Christmas week, before new year hopefully.
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That’s disappointing news, I phoned OCUK CS yesterday and was told they’re due this week, I then paid to upgrade delivery to next day, to ensure arrival before Christmas.
Was that wrong information then?
 
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shamus21 said:
The problem i see with buying intel Gpu`s is how long they will support them with driver updates if Intel call it a day and pull out of Gpu manufacturing.
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They have a large incentive to keep up with GPU tech because of iGPU. The architecture is shared between iGPU and dGPU. The money is currently with AI. A lot of what they pour into AI applies to GPU's. Short of a full implosion the GPU's will remain as part of their strategy. I'm very tired of this point that's been repeated for a long time now.

As long as their next nodes in the next few years are anywhere close to projections, they'll be able to manufacture decent modern parts in their fabs again and go back to being competitive and profitable. If their next nodes fall well below expectations, all bets are off for the company as a whole.
 
spudbynight said:
No, the "problem" is up for debate.

The fact is people have been complaining about the UK price compared to the US price. This happens whenever anything launches in the UK and people compare with the US price.
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I'm not sure it's up for debate.

Predominately American reviewers are praising it based on it's $249 rrp (ignoring sales taxes), whilst either comparing to NVIDIA cards that are ~$299 (whether that includes sales tax or not idk).

In the UK market it's £250, and either a 3060 or 4060 can be had for £250. Therefore it's not quite as attractive as it appears in the american reviews.
 
Quartz said:
Umm.. no. The problem with the £250 UK price is that unlike elsewhere it is the same price as its competitor, the RTX 4060.
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But 4060 only has 8GB of ram youtube comparing 4060 versus 580, and 4060 is a slideshow


So even if the 4060 is faster within VRAM limits, games are hitting 8GB (as mine does) once that happens it's powerpoint.
 
/\ndy said:
Is the sparkle card coming into stock soon?
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Yes we have a batch of 50 due, then 30, so 80 before Christmas these are all pre-sold and another 200 in January which are mostly pre-sold as well.

Intel branded cards, 100 before Christmas and 100 in January which will clear back orders, doubtful any spare though, could have sold thousands easily.
 
hornetstinger said:
But 4060 only has 8GB of ram youtube comparing 4060 versus 580, and 4060 is a slideshow


So even if the 4060 is faster within VRAM limits, games are hitting 8GB (as mine does) once that happens it's powerpoint.
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It's a huge deal that's largely overblown to make a point. At the settings that make 8GB cards stutter, then the B580 is still <60fps anyway
 
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