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Intel bug incoming? Meltdown and Spectre exploits

Millions Desktop and mobile users will have to have their hardware's firmware updated, this for machines going back a decade, as far back as X58 as there are still users of those products, Motherboard and/or OEM vendors will have to do that but its not them who will get lumbered with the bill, Intel will be paying for that.
No way ancient X58 era products are going to see BIOS updates. Intel and the vendors will find a way to cut and run.
 
Intel's problems are just getting started.

Those who have run comparison benchmarks after Firware updates are seeing performance degradation especially for solid state storage and software compiling, there are thousands of companies using thousands of Intel CPU's whose businesses depend on the performance of exactly those sort of workloads.
At least 3 unnamed California based companies have filed class action lawsuit against Intel over this, that number is likely to swell.

Millions Desktop and mobile users will have to have their hardware's firmware updated, this for machines going back a decade, as far back as X58 as there are still users of those products, Motherboard and/or OEM vendors will have to do that but its not them who will get lumbered with the bill, Intel will be paying for that.

This will cost Intel not just in huge amounts of money but also in reputation and yes AMD will gain kudos for having much more robust security in their hardware.

2018 has a whole lot of hurt in store for Intel

Perfect time to go AMD then?
 
No way ancient X58 era products are going to see BIOS updates. Intel and the vendors will find a way to cut and run.

You're probably right but with enough pressure from users they may not have a choice, if it can be argued X58 users are going to be left vulnerable to data theft attack courts (especially the EU) will force Intel to remedy the situation.

Perfect time to go AMD then?

AMD should gain good reputation and contracts out of this.
 
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Longer term, if I was about to spend £360 on a CPU I'd want it to not have a serious security design flaw. Same goes for my next smartphone. Other consumers might agree and decide to wait. I'm sure CPU manufacturers are 'on it' since their entire business rests on fixing all future hardware.
 
Intel's problems are just getting started.

Those who have run comparison benchmarks after Firware updates are seeing performance degradation especially for solid state storage and software compiling, there are thousands of companies using thousands of Intel CPU's whose businesses depend on the performance of exactly those sort of workloads.
At least 3 unnamed California based companies have filed class action lawsuit against Intel over this, that number is likely to swell.

Millions Desktop and mobile users will have to have their hardware's firmware updated, this for machines going back a decade, as far back as X58 as there are still users of those products, Motherboard and/or OEM vendors will have to do that but its not them who will get lumbered with the bill, Intel will be paying for that.

This will cost Intel not just in huge amounts of money but also in reputation and yes AMD will gain kudos for having much more robust security in their hardware.

2018 has a whole lot of hurt in store for Intel

It's unclear at the moment just how far back Intel will release updated firmware / CPU microcode. Even if they do for an older CPU, the motherboard manufacturer is unlikely to issue an updated BIOS for an older chipset, so it depends how this plays out and whether in this scenario if Intel do release a CPU fix whether it can be distributed via WU...
 
It's unclear at the moment just how far back Intel will release updated firmware / CPU microcode. Even if they do for an older CPU the motherboard manufacturer is unlikely to issue an updated BIOS so it depends how this plays out and whether in this scenario if Intel do release a CPU fix whether it can be distributed via WU...

You say that as if its Intel's choice, Intel may like it to be but if they don't do enough they may find themselves with more class action lawsuits forcing them to act, much like nVidia thought it was their choice to do nothing with the 3.5GB GTX 970 scandal, until a court made them offer refunds for said cards.

#2018 is going to be an interesting year.
 
You say that as if its Intel's choice, Intel may like it to be but if they don't do enough they may find themselves with more class action lawsuits forcing them to act, much like nVidia thought it was their choice to do nothing with the 3.5GB GTX 970 scandal, until a court made them offer refunds for said cards.

#2018 is going to be an interesting year.

Wasn't that only in the states and even then it was something like $40?
 
Wasn't that only in the states and even then it was something like $40?

It was but only because no one here botherd to file a complaint with the EU courts, this is very different because its not just PC gamers who are effected and effected in a far more serious way, like the security of your accounts, including your bank accounts and industries customer details.
In this case if Intel don't do enough government agencies will step in automatically because you can be sure they are already monitoring how Intel are dealing with this.
 
You say that as if its Intel's choice, Intel may like it to be but if they don't do enough they may find themselves with more class action lawsuits forcing them to act, much like nVidia thought it was their choice to do nothing with the 3.5GB GTX 970 scandal, until a court made them offer refunds for said cards.

It is to some extent because if they're going to take a hit in being fined they're not necessarily going to spend the money fixing the older hardware too. The real issue is how long will it take for systems to receive the necessary fixes to be patched properly from a security perspective, as the issue is now out in the wild people are more at risk now especially on older hardware.
 
If PC / laptop / server etc. cannot be used without the risk of a security breach then surely the equipment is not fit for purpose.

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It is to some extent because if they're going to take a hit in being fined they're not necessarily going to spend the money fixing the older hardware too. The real issue is how long will it take for systems to receive the necessary fixes to be patched properly from a security perspective, as the issue is now out in the wild people are more at risk now especially on older hardware.

The security issues cannot be fixed without a firmware patch, the BIOS, the authorities will not allow Intel to ignore their customers be it private or commercial leaving them vulnerable to attack.
 
If PC / laptop / server etc. cannot be used without the risk of a security breach then surely the equipment is not fit for purpose.

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I think in the case of older hardware that could indeed be so, in which case I think Intel would be liable for the cost of the CPU to be replaced with a generation that can be patched but also a suitable motherboard which has suitable BIOS support for the new CPU.
 
I think in the case of older hardware that could indeed be so, in which case I think Intel would be liable for the cost of the CPU to be replaced with a generation that can be patched but also a suitable motherboard which has suitable BIOS support for the new CPU.

IMO it will not come to that, Intel will pay Motherboard vendors to offer BIOS patching.
 
If not being 100% secure meant you had to give a refund, literally every bit of tech and software ever would have been refunded by now.
It's perhaps different for the products they released after they knew about it.
 
For nearly 10 year old motherboards? I don't think so. I bet they don't even have any left in their development stock.

OK maybe not quite that old, but i think Intel would have a hard time trying to argue Z87, X99, Z97, Z107 and Z207 are too old or not many people use them.
 
For nearly 10 year old motherboards? I don't think so. I bet they don't even have any left in their development stock.

The thing is they will start to see big headlines in the coming months, lawsuits, some big name company jumping ship from Intel to AMD, stock dropping. So headlines of how "good guy Intel provides support for older platforms and saves users money" are the kinds of headlines they might be desperate for in the coming months.

I'm not sure they are smart enough to do that, as everything about this has been about saying our bad, but we're putting everything we have into fixing everything we can, they kinda went, yeah but everyone else is as bad as us only for every single site out there to call Intel idiots and point out that AMD, ARM and probably Apple are no where near as badly effected as they are.
 
The thing is they will start to see big headlines in the coming months, lawsuits, some big name company jumping ship from Intel to AMD, stock dropping. So headlines of how "good guy Intel provides support for older platforms and saves users money" are the kinds of headlines they might be desperate for in the coming months.

I'm not sure they are smart enough to do that, as everything about this has been about saying our bad, but we're putting everything we have into fixing everything we can, they kinda went, yeah but everyone else is as bad as us only for every single site out there to call Intel idiots and point out that AMD, ARM and probably Apple are no where near as badly effected as they are.

Those reviewers who do have a running commentary on it are making it clear AMD while affected are not, not really, others whom have never been in anyway critical of Intel still aren't, complete silence from them.
 
You're probably right but with enough pressure from users they may not have a choice, if it can be argued X58 users are going to be left vulnerable to data theft attack courts (especially the EU) will force Intel to remedy the situation.


Motherboard manufacturers and/or Intel will just say the hardware is out of warranty/support period.
 
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