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Intel Core Ultra 9 285k 'Arrow Lake' Discussion/News ("15th gen") on LGA-1851

cebri said:
vs prelaunch


I don’t believe there is anything there new.
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There's more to come yet, if you follow the ARL discussion thread on OCnet forums there's a prominent member there saying there are more bios revisons to come. Everything out so far is still Beta.
I honestly don't think anything more will make a large impact on perf, but they certainly aren't finished tweaking firmware yet.
That slide you posted was from a "behind closed doors" seminar conducted by Hallock on Monday I believe. None of that has been disclosed to the public yet either as far as I know.
There's so much for the industry to talk about right now, ARL fixes isn't big on anyones radar to cover.

The other problem is, none of the big (and vocal) Intel hardcore enthusiasts on other forums are using and reporting about ARL from their own experiences which is also impacting feedback to Intel.
On OCnet forums (probably the last bastion of ARL info atm) most users reporting their findings are pure novices and know little about hardware as it is. There's a few veterans bobbing in and out, but none of them have have taken ARL seriously and it's mostly just the novices playing with the platform.

Crappy situation tbh.
 
Legion said:
There's more to come yet, if you follow the ARL discussion thread on OCnet forums there's a prominent member there saying there are more bios revisons to come. Everything out so far is still Beta.
I honestly don't think anything more will make a large impact on perf, but they certainly aren't finished tweaking firmware yet.
That slide you posted was from a "behind closed doors" seminar conducted by Hallock on Monday I believe. None of that has been disclosed to the public yet either as far as I know.
There's so much for the industry to talk about right now, ARL fixes isn't big on anyones radar to cover.

The other problem is, none of the big (and vocal) Intel hardcore enthusiasts on other forums are using and reporting about ARL from their own experiences which is also impacting feedback to Intel.
On OCnet forums (probably the last bastion of ARL info atm) most users reporting their findings are pure novices and know little about hardware as it is. There's a few veterans bobbing in and out, but none of them have have taken ARL seriously and it's mostly just the novices playing with the platform.

Crappy situation tbh.
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I am hoping that pretty soon the reviewers will retest. Alas I am not so sure they will. They tend to just drop the ball and move on to new things and unfortunately intels final fixed state (if you can call it that) will coincide with the release of NVIDIA's new products.
 
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SpellowHouse said:
I am hoping that pretty soon the reviewers will retest. Alas I am not so sure they will. They tend to just drop the ball and move on to new things and unfortunately intels final fixed state (if you can call it that) will coincide with the release of NVIDIA's new products.
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Both AMD and Nvidia might well be attracting the headlines for now, and for some time.
But I didn't get much of a sense of what was intended or planned from that video over what had previously been noted.?

Maybe I missed much.?

Perhaps for ArL what is seen now is largely what can be expected.?
If that is so it would be nice if reviewers could pick up on that at some point.
 
Vimes said:
Both AMD and Nvidia might well be attracting the headlines for now, and for some time.
But I didn't get much of a sense of what was intended or planned from that video over what had previously been noted.?

Maybe I missed much.?

Perhaps for ArL what is seen now is largely what can be expected.?
If that is so it would be nice if reviewers could pick up on that at some point.
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Well, really no one has retested the CPU's since intel started rolling out fixes. The last fix, supposedly some time this month, should trigger a wave of re-testing, but so far there seems to be little signs of that happening. At least now we should see stability and consultancy, if not increased fps performance.
Thanks to the lack of availability in the 9800x3D, I am still open to other possibilities. The core ultra 7 is still a very viable option for me, but I am not getting it unless intel can tweak it to at least perform as well as the 14700K.
 
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SpellowHouse said:
Well, really no one has retested the CPU's since intel started rolling out fixes. The last fix, supposedly some time this month, should trigger a wave of re-testing, but so far there seems to be little signs of that happening. At least now we should see stability and consultancy, if not increased fps performance.
Thanks to the lack of availability in the 9800x3D, I am still open to other possibilities. The core ultra 7 is still a very viable option for me, but I am not getting it unless intel can tweak it to at least perform as well as the 14700K.
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Seems to be the case. Other events are being somewhat distracting..!

Whether it was a problematic launch or not, kind moot as we are where we are. It is just where it could be and it what time frame that interests me.

My 14700k has been great, both in and outside of gaming for my needs and expectations.
 
Seriously bad news....

www.tomshardware.com

AMD says Intel's 'horrible product' is causing Ryzen 7 9800X3D shortages

Team Blue in the rearview.
www.tomshardware.com www.tomshardware.com


I refer to this....

"Although the company has promised a 'fix' for the issue, we recently tested the full and complete patch on multiple systems. We found the patch does nothing to help (at least on two motherboards) and that the newer Windows revision required for the fix has benefited competing processors more, thus making Intel's Arrow Lake competitive positioning even worse than at launch. We'll publish that testing soon."

If that's true then it's terrible news for gamers.
 
Vimes said:
Seems to be the case. Other events are being somewhat distracting..!

Whether it was a problematic launch or not, kind moot as we are where we are. It is just where it could be and it what time frame that interests me.

My 14700k has been great, both in and outside of gaming for my needs and expectations.
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Yeah finding it hard to fault my 14700K so far, Intel should be refunding Arrow Lake purchasers 30-40% it is a bit of a sick joke really.
 
Intel have been long enough in this market to understand the importance of the launch of a product, first impressions and all that.
Goodness knows how pressured they felt to release ArL with all the issues associated with it found so relatively quickly at release.
Even after watching the damage control / reasoning videos I still find it hard to have any confidence in this platform so far.
The cost of the 285k, even based on it being functional, perhaps not as intended but as it is, is difficult to understand.
It seems almost a bespoke CPU, without any particular target market, and missing them all.
Perhaps that is a little harsh, as its power usage in use, although I have only seen very little, is pretty decent, both at idle / low usage and when scaling up.
 
Vimes said:
Intel have been long enough in this market to understand the importance of the launch of a product, first impressions and all that.
Goodness knows how pressured they felt to release ArL with all the issues associated with it found so relatively quickly at release.
Even after watching the damage control / reasoning videos I still find it hard to have any confidence in this platform so far.
The cost of the 285k, even based on it being functional, perhaps not as intended but as it is, is difficult to understand.
It seems almost a bespoke CPU, without any particular target market, and missing them all.
Perhaps that is a little harsh, as its power usage in use, although I have only seen very little, is pretty decent, both at idle / low usage and when scaling up.
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For all they said that the results that the reviewers got were not what they saw, it now seems that there are no huge improvements about to happen, so I find their initial statements difficult to believe. Sure, the problems with inconsistency is something they have solved, and I can believe that this was caused by a perfect storm of bad coincidences, but the general lack of gaming performance is something that is very difficult to explain. I mean, surely, they must have known this but took the decision to release anyway?
I think we need a bit of honesty from them or all they doing it losing peoples trust (again).
 
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SpellowHouse said:
For all they said that the results that the reviewers got were not what they saw, it now seems that there are no huge improvements about to happen, so I find their initial statements difficult to believe. Sure, the problems with inconsistency is something they have solved, and I can believe that this was caused by a perfect storm of bad coincidences, but the general lack of gaming performance is something that is very difficult to explain. I mean, surely, they must have known this but took the decision to release anyway?
I think we need a bit of honesty from them or all they doing it losing peoples trust (again).
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I note that you have posted over in some of the AMD threads, so I'm guessing that gaming performance is pretty high for your considerations....?
If so, maybe the recent AMD CPU's, and their up and coming releases, could well suit you better than what Intel could offer.
Of course the AMD 3D variants are good in general use, with an emphasis on gaming.

Gaming performance has an importance for me also, but probably with less emphasis. Not just about running at 4k, but also the types of games I play and being content with the performance that I enjoy with the 14700k.

I am hopeful, maybe less so, that something more positive could come from the ArL platform. Whether that will garner the YT reviewers to take note as much as they did when ArL initially launched remains to be seen.
 
Let's face it, any upcoming updates could triple performance and grant the platform the ability to grant 3 wishes for each user, and people still wouldn't care.
This generation has been a complete failure for Intel. The pricing is absolutely comical for what they are offering. I could buy their previous offerings, or an AMD alternative for cheaper, and enjoy the same or better performance.
They have properly **** the bed.
 
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pcfarrar said:
Glad I sold my 265K and bought a 9800X3D instead. Low power use at idle the only thing I miss from it.
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The idle power consumption truly sucks on zen 5 and zen 4. But there's still a possibility that it gets fixed with zen 6 when AMD implements a more advanced interconnect technology and if zen 6 is still on AM5 then it's a drop-in upgrade.
 
Vimes said:
Intel have been long enough in this market to understand the importance of the launch of a product, first impressions and all that.
Goodness knows how pressured they felt to release ArL with all the issues associated with it found so relatively quickly at release.
Even after watching the damage control / reasoning videos I still find it hard to have any confidence in this platform so far.
The cost of the 285k, even based on it being functional, perhaps not as intended but as it is, is difficult to understand.
It seems almost a bespoke CPU, without any particular target market, and missing them all.
Perhaps that is a little harsh, as its power usage in use, although I have only seen very little, is pretty decent, both at idle / low usage and when scaling up.
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I am now at the place where I can't believe they didn't know. My best guess is that they hoped that the reviewers wouldn't concentrate so much on 1080P.
 
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