Intel Core Ultra 9 285k 'Arrow Lake' Discussion/News ("15th gen") on LGA-1851

WARburton · 2025-01-29T01:30:00+0000

FredFlint said:
The 285k is not competing with the 9800X3D, a better comparison is the 9950X. The 9800X3D is bad value for most workloads, gaming is almost the only reason to get one. for multicore workloads, the 285/265/245 chips are not bad.

then intel need to stop calling it a gaming cpu, because in that case it is competing.
and in the home pc/general user market i would say it is 100% competing with a cpu that cost's £100 less and games/general task's better

Emlyn_Dewar · 2025-01-29T01:39:41+0000

WARburton said:
they need to slash prices, if they priced the cpu's by there real world performance they would sell.
but the 285k is about £60 to £100 more than a 9800x3d it just no going to sell..

Yeah, these things are an absolute non-buy in current form. I'm always one for checking out the less popular option, but when it costs more than the competition? No thanks.

FredFlint · 2025-01-29T01:41:44+0000

WARburton said:
then intel need to stop calling it a gaming cpu, because in that case it is competing.
and in the home pc/general user market i would say it is 100% competing with a cpu that cost's £100 less and games/general task's better

AMD also markets the 9950X as a gamming CPU so the same applies vs the 9800X3D. At the end of the day most user's don't buy 285K/9950X CPU's for gaming.

Emlyn_Dewar · 2025-01-29T05:00:54+0000

FredFlint said:
At the end of the day most user's don't buy 285K/9950X CPU's for gaming.

At the end of the day users don't buy the 285K full stop. Sales aren't setting the charts on fire.

Legion · 2025-01-29T09:45:41+0000

RSR said:
One of the main reasons is the off-die IO controller, I believe in the newer CPUs they have moved it back to an on-die solution. I have no real qualms with mine, it seems to work with all the stuff I have t
I need to get around to re-doing all my 3D Mark stocks now all the patches have come how to see how it fairs again the old scores.

That said, I have a few extra bits on the way for it.

You should try it on Win10 22H2, it's showing quite a bit more perf from the guy's on the Ocnet forums playing with it.

RSR · 2025-01-29T09:49:01+0000

Legion said:
You should try it on Win10 22H2, it's showing quite a bit more perf from the guy's on the Ocnet forums playing with it.

I'll give it a whirl and see how it runs

jigger · 2025-01-29T11:18:31+0000

WARburton said:
then intel need to stop calling it a gaming cpu, because in that case it is competing.
and in the home pc/general user market i would say it is 100% competing with a cpu that cost's £100 less and games/general task's better

Intel don’t have to do anything. They dominate the semiconductor industry.

hlennie · 2025-01-29T11:27:03+0000

How many people I wonder actually have a core ultra are saying its crap for gaming

Ive found it to be perfectly stable since I built it november and gaming on a 3090 > 4080 soon to be 5090 I have found it to be smooth and no different to my 12900k when gaming

12900k was a bag a nails would randomly crash settings that would be fine and stable for months would then have to be re tweaked made me loose interest in gaming as it started to crash so much

Im glad to be off that platform and since the side-grade yes side grade in raw performance in gaming in benchmarks. That little loss I can live with for the stability

I have non stop gamed. I don't play benchmarks

WARburton · 2025-01-29T11:44:40+0000

hlennie said:
Im glad to be off that platform and since the side-grade yes side grade in raw performance in gaming in benchmarks. That little loss I can live with for the stability

did you get the 285k? and if so why not make an upgrade and spend less money? did you get the 285k?

WARburton · 2025-01-29T11:45:00+0000

jigger said:
Intel don’t have to do anything. They dominate the semiconductor industry.

used to

WARburton · 2025-01-29T11:47:00+0000

Emlyn_Dewar said:
At the end of the day users don't buy the 285K full stop. Sales aren't setting the charts on fire.

this is my point, its overpriced for what it is. if not it would sell.. intel have never had a problem selling in the passed.

jigger · 2025-01-29T11:49:48+0000

WARburton said:
used to

Intel are over 70% percent of the desktop market and over 90% of the GPU market. Intel own the semiconductor industry without even trying.

WARburton · 2025-01-29T12:07:25+0000

jigger said:
Intel are over 70% percent of the desktop market and over 90% of the GPU market. Intel own the semiconductor industry without even trying.

Used to be. Intel just lost a few oem’s one of them been dell. The 70% will now slide very fast.

hlennie · 2025-01-29T12:18:22+0000

WARburton said:
did you get the 285k? and if so why not make an upgrade and spend less money? did you get the 285k?

Got the 265k it should be a little cheaper never going to go i9 again they where always overpriced and what with graphic card prices got to save money. Mind you I do agree that the motherboard prices are insane asus sku for example their smoking crack

jigger · 2025-01-29T12:55:31+0000

WARburton said:
Used to be. Intel just lost a few oem’s one of them been dell. The 70% will now slide very fast.

Intel technologically have been on a hiding to nothing for the last 7 years and Intel still hold 71.3% market share.

Maybe if AMD continues with more of the same for another 7 years, Intel’s share could come down to closer to 65% This would require a lot more than just AMDs silicon technology advantage to achieve though. The reality is Intel don’t have to do anything than keep on being Intel.

TrixP10 · 2025-01-29T13:04:18+0000

jigger said:
Intel technologically have been on a hiding to nothing for the last 7 years and Intel still hold 71.3% market share.

Maybe if AMD continues with more of the same for another 7 years, Intel’s share could come down to closer to 65% This would require a lot more than just AMDs silicon technology advantage to achieve though. The reality is Intel don’t have to do anything than keep on being Intel.

LOL - do you write all you're own jokes?

FredFlint · 2025-01-29T13:17:00+0000

jigger said:
Intel technologically have been on a hiding to nothing for the last 7 years and Intel still hold 71.3% market share.

Maybe if AMD continues with more of the same for another 7 years, Intel’s share could come down to closer to 65% This would require a lot more than just AMDs silicon technology advantage to achieve though. The reality is Intel don’t have to do anything than keep on being Intel.

Intel has massive production capacity, AMD does not have the supply to get market share faster.

jigger · 2025-01-29T14:08:28+0000

FredFlint said:
Intel has massive production capacity, AMD does not have the supply to get market share faster.

I referred to that in the second to last sentence.

FredFlint · 2025-01-29T14:15:42+0000

I was agreeing with you, sort of, did not notice you referred to production capacity. Fingers crossed people stop buying iPhones then AMD will get a big capacity bump.

jigger · 2025-01-29T15:21:55+0000

FredFlint said:
I was agreeing with you, sort of, did not notice you referred to production capacity. Fingers crossed people stop buying iPhones then AMD will get a big capacity bump.

It’s difficult for many people to comprehend just what a behemoth of a company Intel is and just how critical a role they have.