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Intel Core Ultra 9 285k 'Arrow Lake' Discussion/News ("15th gen") on LGA-1851

FredFlint said:
I was agreeing with you, sort of, did not notice you referred to production capacity. Fingers crossed people stop buying iPhones then AMD will get a big capacity bump.
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Its also worth taking into account that production capacity is purchased years in advance and normally it's set in stone by that point
 
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jigger said:
It’s difficult for many people to comprehend just what a behemoth of a company Intel is and just how critical a role they have.
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its really not, i know there massive like silly massive.. and they have there own fabs all over the world. that are doing an amazing job at 10nm i hope they keep up the good work...
this is why TSMC had to step in on the new CPU's...
 
RSR said:
Its also worth taking into account that production capacity is purchased years in advance and normally it's set in stone by that point
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this is true, this is the problem AMD had with globalfoundries and AM4. the production was set in stone and also the price.

and that is somthing intel could have a problem with the 285k is just not selling, but the order as you said is set in stone and so in the price
 
A few more bits arrived today :D

Behold the OCF :eek:

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Optimus Sig Silver WB

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This thing is a right chonker, as putting it on the scales comes in at 1090 g
 
WARburton said:
its really not, i know there massive like silly massive.. and they have there own fabs all over the world. that are doing an amazing job at 10nm i hope they keep up the good work...
this is why TSMC had to step in on the new CPU's...
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It’s good you now understand Intel don’t have to do anything…
 
WARburton said:
Ivbe seen this block and a few build now and for somthing so plain it looks stunning when fitted
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I'm honestly very impressed with Optimus blocks as I have also one on my AM5 setup and that's not something I say lightly as I have tried quiet a few WB over the years, i'd say in terms of performs its ahead of the Aqua Computer and Heat Killer which is very high praise as those are my normal go-to brands. Then you have and well yea.... I'll leave those there. :cry:
 
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its od the see an high end'er board with only 2 ram slots, but if you want all out performance you would only ever run 2 sticks.. this is the way it should be.
but so many people would only buy a board with 4 slots as the 2 slot board are.... budget... its funny how stuff go's

i do like ASRock loved them since me z170 pro4, that think smashed my none k i5(loved the non K overclocking intel cockup on skylake) and 6700k

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WARburton said:
its od the see an high end'er board with only 2 ram slots, but if you want all out performance you would only ever run 2 sticks.. this is the way it should be.
but so many people would only buy a board with 4 slots as the 2 slot board are.... budget... its funny how stuff go's
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Yeah - I assume it is still the way with AL but the way Intel has wired up the memory slots on recent designs means that you have to populate specific slots if not using all the slots for the best signalling signal to noise ratios but even then the traces for the extra unused slots are degrading the signal stability.
 
WARburton said:
its od the see an high end'er board with only 2 ram slots, but if you want all out performance you would only ever run 2 sticks.. this is the way it should be.
but so many people would only buy a board with 4 slots as the 2 slot board are.... budget... its funny how stuff go's
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It all has to do with signal integrity, less is more when it comes to DDR5 slots. Also in general DDR5 is much harder to run at higher frequency than the DDR4 counterparts, as you only have to look on the QVL lists for 4 DIMM kits and they are very few and far between.

If you want the best performance from DDR5, you should be looking at a 2 DIMM board which also is something lacking on AM5. That said, the AM5 memory performance is a lot more of an faf and outside of the laptop chips (8000 APUs) can't be pushed as high.
 
FredFlint said:
Intel is just using TSMC for the 2xxx CPU's and its GPU's, AMD uses them for everything.
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so your saying AMD would be there biggest buyer, and have the biggest contract... so making TSMC the most money out of the two...
thank you for the info this only add's to slapping jigger just got..(he said it was the complete oversite)

also just to be clear we are only taking about desktop cpu's so the 2XXX chips.
if you want to talk about mobile chips lets bring ARM/apple into this hahah, or wait.. intel just got megger (female dog) slapped


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ANYWAY as i said id done with this. the good thing about a forum is we can all think with we want and voice are own opinions on a forum.
i have intel and NV in my pc so im not a AMD fan boy im just saying intel are currently getting a kicking.
i'd love them to make the stacked cache chips they talked about 2 years ago and make a massive come back then my 10800x3d will be super cheap
 
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RSR said:
It all has to do with signal integrity, less is more when it comes to DDR5 slots. Also in general DDR5 is much harder to run at higher frequency than the DDR4 counterparts, as you only have to look on the QVL lists for 4 DIMM kits and they are very few and far between.

If you want the best performance from DDR5, you should be looking at a 2 DIMM board which also is something lacking on AM5. That said, the AM5 memory performance is a lot more of an faf and outside of the laptop chips (8000 APUs) can't be pushed as high.
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Many of the 8000 series APUs are actually memory overclocking champs. It’s all down to the quality of the board and IMC.
 
WARburton said:
so your saying AMD would be there biggest buyer, and have the biggest contract... so making TSMC the most money out of the two...
thank you for the info this only add's to slapping jigger just got..

also just to be clear we are only taking about desktop cpu's so the 2XXX chips.
if you want to talk about mobile chips lets bring ARM/apple into this hahah, or wait.. intel just got megger (female dog) slapped
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No, Im not saying AMD is there biggest buyer. I would think Apple or Qualcomm is but I dont know.
 
FredFlint said:
No, Im not saying AMD is there biggest buyer. I would think Apple or Qualcomm is but I dont know.
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nope its intel, because jigger with no info at all said so...

BUT: honestly
WARburton said:
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ANYWAY as i said id done with this. the good thing about a forum is we can all think with we want and voice are own opinions on a forum.
i have intel and NV in my pc so im not a AMD fan boy im just saying intel are currently getting a kicking.
i'd love them to make the stacked cache chips they talked about 2 years ago and make a massive come back then my 10800x3d will be super cheap
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