If you can get a decent Z790 at a keen price the 14700K(F) is still a good option - 1440p/4K it is pretty much on par with any of the other CPUs unless you have a 4090/5090 and still holds up well if you do, considerably cheaper than most of the other options, holds up well if you are doing a mix of gaming and productivity, thread heavy games or gaming with other stuff running as well i.e. OBS - where some of the other CPUs can fall down despite doing better in pure benchmarks of games, etc. etc.
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Intel Core Ultra 9 285k 'Arrow Lake' Discussion/News ("15th gen") on LGA-1851
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If you can get a decent Z790 at a keen price the 14700K(F) is still a good option - 1440p/4K it is pretty much on par with any of the other CPUs unless you have a 4090/5090 and still holds up well if you do, considerably cheaper than most of the other options, holds up well if you are doing a mix of gaming and productivity, thread heavy games or gaming with other stuff running as well i.e. OBS - where some of the other CPUs can fall down despite doing better in pure benchmarks of games, etc. etc.
I noted, when watching the review of the 9950x3D from GN on YouTube, that he discounted as even bothering to mention anything from Intel as being considered a top end gaming CPU alternative. How times have changed, to be no longer considered an alternative, in that context.
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yeah its sad to see, hoping they can fix up in the next iteration or 2 and give AMD some proper competition because atm they are totally irrelevant at almost every level
I tested the 9800x3d again with the configuration being the same except the CPU and the motherboard being a X670e Steel Legend. Apparently I didn't pay attention and didn't have the iGPU enabled correctly the whole time. I enabled it correctly by setting the primary display adapter to be the iGPU and set the iGPU configuration to UMA_AUTO. Yes, idiotic mistake because this results in no performance loss when playing a game and watching a YouTube video on the iGPU in parallel (which previously would result in noticeable loss in performance due to again - incorrect configuration). I tested with no RAM overclocking which on Zen 5 is 5600 MHz and SOC voltage at 1,1v. Disregard the power figures I gave for the 9800x3d system previously.
The 9800x3d system now draws about 15-20 Watt more across the board in the same scenarios I tested on the Intel system. This means the following:
One SSD, the HBA and both HDDs are still disconnected and not part of the system (just like on the previous Intel system).
The 9800x3d system idles at 70 Watt with monitors asleep, 70-75 Watt with 2 monitors (both 4k set to 60Hz) enabled connected both to the iGPU and 80 Watt with 2 monitors (both 4k set to 60Hz) connected to the iGPU and 1 4k monitor (4k set to 240Hz) connected to the RTX 4090 (all 3 monitors being active).
Right now writing this post on one monitor and watching a YouTube video on the second monitor (having 2 4k60 monitors connected to the iGPU and 1 4k240 monitor connected to the RTX 4090; I only use the 2 monitors connected to the iGPU here - using the monitor connected to the dGPU results in power spikes to 120-140 Watt due to 3D-usage spikes) draws about 90 Watt. These are acceptable results in my opinion and nearly not as bad as the 40-50 Watt difference I measured earlier. The culprit is mainly the dGPU which can be mitigated a lot using the iGPU correctly as a second GPU and using it for light stuff like web browsing (the iGPU has to be set in the setting to be used by the Web Browser instead of the dGPU).
This time I didn't notice any hitches and freezes I had before. It's just as snappy as the Intel system which leads me to believe the RAM overclocking was not completely stable.
Also just to bring awareness to this: AMD will probably update the interconnect technology in Zen 6 to allow for lower latency and higher bandwidth which will most likely eliminate this 15-20 Watt power consumption gap at idle and low loads.
Another also: Don't buy CPUs without an iGPU, meaning no Intel F-variants!
The 9800x3d system now draws about 15-20 Watt more across the board in the same scenarios I tested on the Intel system. This means the following:
One SSD, the HBA and both HDDs are still disconnected and not part of the system (just like on the previous Intel system).
The 9800x3d system idles at 70 Watt with monitors asleep, 70-75 Watt with 2 monitors (both 4k set to 60Hz) enabled connected both to the iGPU and 80 Watt with 2 monitors (both 4k set to 60Hz) connected to the iGPU and 1 4k monitor (4k set to 240Hz) connected to the RTX 4090 (all 3 monitors being active).
Right now writing this post on one monitor and watching a YouTube video on the second monitor (having 2 4k60 monitors connected to the iGPU and 1 4k240 monitor connected to the RTX 4090; I only use the 2 monitors connected to the iGPU here - using the monitor connected to the dGPU results in power spikes to 120-140 Watt due to 3D-usage spikes) draws about 90 Watt. These are acceptable results in my opinion and nearly not as bad as the 40-50 Watt difference I measured earlier. The culprit is mainly the dGPU which can be mitigated a lot using the iGPU correctly as a second GPU and using it for light stuff like web browsing (the iGPU has to be set in the setting to be used by the Web Browser instead of the dGPU).
This time I didn't notice any hitches and freezes I had before. It's just as snappy as the Intel system which leads me to believe the RAM overclocking was not completely stable.
Also just to bring awareness to this: AMD will probably update the interconnect technology in Zen 6 to allow for lower latency and higher bandwidth which will most likely eliminate this 15-20 Watt power consumption gap at idle and low loads.
Another also: Don't buy CPUs without an iGPU, meaning no Intel F-variants!
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You would have to be mad to go from a 14700 to a core ultra IMO! Unless you had some very specific requirements like a ton of NVME slots.
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You know the answer you are going to get :s
Unless purely gaming with a 4090/5090, or have very specific productivity needs, stick with the CPU. The 14700K(F) is by far the best balance of price and balanced performance out currently.
If I do make a change its going to be AMD, just dont know which to get. Its not something I need to do....Just boredom setting in and need something new
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After a few days of using the 265k build, the improvement to how quickly I'm able to do some tasks with work is really significant. I spend around 70% of my working day in rules engines across varying platforms (Adobe, LW, hosted product workflow interfaces) and over the last 6 months it really started to show the limitation of the 5800X3D (which was always my accepted compromise having a chip that was specifically for gaming).
Overall system feels snappier, I can run multiple rule engines and have a few VM's open without feeling like everything is working in slow motion and gaming hasn't really felt like it's taken a step back moving to the 265k from the 5800X3D so mostly happy on that side!
I still think I need to run a few more tests in general to see how far I can push it - but right now it's just nice to know I can power through work items without really feeling like I'm waiting for my PC to catch up.
Overall system feels snappier, I can run multiple rule engines and have a few VM's open without feeling like everything is working in slow motion and gaming hasn't really felt like it's taken a step back moving to the 265k from the 5800X3D so mostly happy on that side!
I still think I need to run a few more tests in general to see how far I can push it - but right now it's just nice to know I can power through work items without really feeling like I'm waiting for my PC to catch up.
The 265K is generally as fast or faster than the 5800X3D for gaming, at higher resolution/refresh you won't really notice the difference in average performance, while being significantly faster for productivity work. Intel really needs to be brave and price them where they should be though it isn't a bad CPU, if you can get one at a keen price it isn't a bad buy, but it isn't a next gen i7 compared to the 14th gen i7.
Yeah 100% agree, and that was really what I wanted to get out of it. I needed something better for productivity but was more than happy with my gaming performance. Totally agree, if they could find a good price point for them (and not have to rely on sales/cashback to make it appealing) then I think it would make it much more appealing.
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Started a few tweaks with the 265k, minor to start as I just find my feet with everything but it's nice to see the additional performance you can get with even small changes.
Bumped the Ecore frequency to 4.8Ghz and Ring clock (processor cache) to 40x - and the 1% lows in the games I played all had a nice small improvement! In general the 265k seems to be dealing with micro stutters better than my 5800X3D did and as I'm playing at 4k 240hz the CPU isn't ever going to be my limitation - but The Finals went from a 15 minute average at stock values of 1% lows of 167 fps to a 1% low of 182 fps, exactly the same map and player count - and the same 'gameplay' scenario so as close to a mirror as possible.
Bumped the Ecore frequency to 4.8Ghz and Ring clock (processor cache) to 40x - and the 1% lows in the games I played all had a nice small improvement! In general the 265k seems to be dealing with micro stutters better than my 5800X3D did and as I'm playing at 4k 240hz the CPU isn't ever going to be my limitation - but The Finals went from a 15 minute average at stock values of 1% lows of 167 fps to a 1% low of 182 fps, exactly the same map and player count - and the same 'gameplay' scenario so as close to a mirror as possible.
I've had time over the weekend to start to tune this system to see how much of a difference it can make but here are some results so far.
CPU-Z Performance
Old CPU-Z Bench - https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/t...n-on-lga-1851.18980945/page-117#post-37553958
UEFI 1602 + MC117 + Manual Tuning
valid.x86.fr
AIDA 64
Old Adia results here: https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/t...n-on-lga-1851.18980945/page-117#post-37553920
UEFI 1602 + MC117 + Manual Tuning
Monster Hunter Wilds Benchmark
Old 285K results: https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/t...n-on-lga-1851.18980945/page-130#post-37653078
9800X3D results: https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/t...n-on-lga-1851.18980945/page-133#post-37671021
Latest results:
1080P - High
1440P - High
There has been a GPU change on those but the 1080P numbers, shouldn't be affected I will retest with a 4090 as well.
R23
R24
I'm a little bit limited on the RAM side due to heat, so I have some new Supercool DDR5 heatsinks and some new G.Skill CKD ram so I'll update it once those arrive.
Then ill start on my 9950X3D system so that I can compare them both.
CPU-Z Performance
Old CPU-Z Bench - https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/t...n-on-lga-1851.18980945/page-117#post-37553958
UEFI 1602 + MC117 + Manual Tuning
Intel Core Ultra 9 285K @ 5683.33 MHz - CPU-Z VALIDATOR
[uhp54i] Validated Dump by WSK-01 (2025-03-24 12:59:57) - MB: Asus ROG MAXIMUS Z890 APEX - RAM: 49152 MB
valid.x86.fr
AIDA 64
Old Adia results here: https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/t...n-on-lga-1851.18980945/page-117#post-37553920
UEFI 1602 + MC117 + Manual Tuning
Monster Hunter Wilds Benchmark
Old 285K results: https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/t...n-on-lga-1851.18980945/page-130#post-37653078
9800X3D results: https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/t...n-on-lga-1851.18980945/page-133#post-37671021
Latest results:
1080P - High
1440P - High
There has been a GPU change on those but the 1080P numbers, shouldn't be affected I will retest with a 4090 as well.
R23
R24
I'm a little bit limited on the RAM side due to heat, so I have some new Supercool DDR5 heatsinks and some new G.Skill CKD ram so I'll update it once those arrive.
Then ill start on my 9950X3D system so that I can compare them both.
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Some great improvements there, beating the 9800X3D in Monster Hunter WildsI've had time over the weekend to start to tune this system to see how much of a difference it can make but here are some results so far.
CPU-Z Performance
Old CPU-Z Bench - https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/t...n-on-lga-1851.18980945/page-117#post-37553958
UEFI 1602 + MC117 + Manual Tuning
Intel Core Ultra 9 285K @ 5683.33 MHz - CPU-Z VALIDATOR
[uhp54i] Validated Dump by WSK-01 (2025-03-24 12:59:57) - MB: Asus ROG MAXIMUS Z890 APEX - RAM: 49152 MB
AIDA 64
Old Adia results here: https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/t...n-on-lga-1851.18980945/page-117#post-37553920
UEFI 1602 + MC117 + Manual Tuning
Monster Hunter Wilds Benchmark
Old 285K results: https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/t...n-on-lga-1851.18980945/page-130#post-37653078
9800X3D results: https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/t...n-on-lga-1851.18980945/page-133#post-37671021
Latest results:
1080P - High
1440P - High
There has been a GPU change on those but the 1080P numbers, shouldn't be affected I will retest with a 4090 as well.
R23
R24
I'm a little bit limited on the RAM side due to heat, so I have some new Supercool DDR5 heatsinks and some new G.Skill CKD ram so I'll update it once those arrive.
Then ill start on my 9950X3D system so that I can compare them both.