Intel haven’t been strong for a decade and the CPU market has never been so healthy. I can hardly believe the amount of processing I have at home.
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Intel has a Pretty Big Problem..
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Intel haven’t been strong for a decade and the CPU market has never been so healthy. I can hardly believe the amount of processing I have at home.
Intel have always been close on performance to AMD in the past 6 or 7 years often leapfrogging each other which has helped keep both of them honest.
Soldato
That's not right. Zen, Zen+ and Zen 2 are relatively behind the Intel competition for each generation. Zen only really became the lead from Zen 3 and even then Intel were close, though admittedly by pushing their chips to the hard limit to do it.
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Intel really need to start taking some accountability for this issue. Radio silence is only going to cause them further pain later down the line.
We really need both AMD & Intel to be strong as we'll end up back how it was in the 4790k 4 core days, no real innovation.
We really need both AMD & Intel to be strong as we'll end up back how it was in the 4790k 4 core days, no real innovation.
I’m not sure how anyone could conclude that but you are way off, Zen completely changed the market. Zen 2 on desktop was a little lacklustre, but still massively better than Intels offerings.
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Soldato
I will apologise and say I am talking purely from gaming performance perspective. Zen didn't really pull ahead of Intel until Zen 3. Before that it was close/in favour of Intel.
Not at all. Even in the DIY console market you’d be mad to go with Intel.
That scenario you described has been the situation for the best part of decade.
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Think you maybe just a little bit wrong
Intel shipped 50 million PC CPUs in Q4 2023, six times as many as AMD
Intel shipped 50 million PC CPUs in Q4 2023, six times as many as AMD
The latest report on global CPU shipments comes from Canalys, which claims that Intel's global CPU market share climbed by three percent year-over-year in Q4 2023, reaching...www.techspot.com
Intel/AMD x86 computer CPU market share 2024 | Statista
In the third quarter of 2024, roughly 62 percent of x86 computer processor or CPU tests recorded were from Intel processors, while 35.5 percent were AMD processors.www.statista.com
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AMD is certainly a better overall with its efficiency and better platform support but in raw performance the CPUs perform very similarly in ST/MT with Intel even having a decent advantage in MT over AMDs chips especially on the lower core count parts.
Intel have literally zero advantages. AMD could release a 32 core (pick a version of Zen) desktop chip built at GloFlo or TSMC tomorrow. Intel have monumental amounts of work ahead to rival AMD on a technical footing. As said the scenario you describe has already happened.
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Something tells me that situation may change sooner, rather than later if Intel can't or won't address this in a satisfactory way. To think that I, and many others are potentially looking at having an Intel based system that has, at least for me cost close to £1k, when I factor in my z790 mb, XMP rated ram and a 13700k, makes me feel a fair amount peeved that Intel have so far been silent. In a way I hope Intel suffer greatly, as it's all about keeping investors happy. We'll see I guess, and as of right now my Intel system is working as intended, albeit with a slight undervolt.Think you maybe just a little bit wrong
My 14900k system has also been working fine so far
The only setting i changed was the PL2 setting from unlimited watts to 295 watts to stop the cpu from being able to hit 100c (which i only saw while stress testing it anyway)
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Soldato
Cpu are more than just for gaming... Infact cpu have very little to do with the overall performance of many games that are gpu bound.
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That's fair, but there's enough architectural performance differences to show that they still have an impact and I would say it's more relevant than productivity workloads to a lot of people here. That's why I made that statement.
Even in productivity though there really isn't a lot between similarly priced Intel and AMD processors most of the time. Just Intel generally needs a higher power budget to do it.
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Soldato
A decade?
Not really sure what goes on in that brain of yours, but it must be quite the trip.
Maybe. Outside of Ryzen X3D chips gaming performance is largely irrelevant when it comes to taping out a CPU architecture. Gaming is a niche within niche, but within market Intel is also a long way behind AMD needing in some cases three times the cores and over 200watts more power just to get close to what are refreshed and revamped tuned for gaming.
Regardless of what segment of the CPU market you look at AMD offer something better or in another performance realm across in every metric. For the whole, Intel are a very long way behind AMD and have been for some time. Outside of a handful of chips at occasional points in time Intel haven’t been at the races.
Aside from the 14700K - AMD have nothing which can touch it at that price point - the 7800X3D is way behind for productivity, the 7950 chips are a lot more expensive and it isn't hideously behind the 7950, 13900 and 14900 at a lot less money. As long as it doesn't break :s
The 7900 chips have the disadvantage of 6 core CCDs making for performance inconsistencies.
The 7900 chips have the disadvantage of 6 core CCDs making for performance inconsistencies.
A decade?
Not really sure what goes on in that brain of yours, but it must be quite the trip.
I have this special gift called a working memory. Intels problems have spanned the last three CEOs
V.x bridge, lake, well… 18 months apart, 2% performance uplift between each and a whole new platform every other generation to cough up £££ for.
If by can’t touch you ignore offering very similar performance for less money at third of the power and on a better platform, then sure.