Intel has a Pretty Big Problem..

[Emlyn_Dewar]

Zen was a big moment for AMD, but the per core performance of 1000/2000 CPUs wasn't much to write home about. It's easy with hindsight to say a better platform, but a lot of those B350/X370 boards at launch were pants.
If anything, the most interesting parts for those CPUs, were Threadripper.

Are Intel in trouble now? Absolutely, but it's not been a decade.

 

[Rroff]

If by can’t touch you ignore offering very similar performance for less money at third of the power and on a better platform, then sure.

Not at the price point - the only chip which has a similar price and performance point is the 7900s but they have very inconsistent performance compared to the 8 core CCD AMD chips and the 14700K. The 7800X3D and 7700X are waaay behind for productivity workloads, the 7800X3D can beat it in gaming but not by a huge amount on average. The 7950 chips are a lot more expensive than the 14700s.

The 14700 chips currently start at just under £350 from a reputable retailer, the 7950X cheapest from somewhere reputable is £470, the X3D around £550.

There are some applications as well the 7800X3D just falls so far behind the 14700K outside of gaming it is laughable, the average doesn't tell the whole story at all.

Also power usage isn't actually that hideous when you include full system power consumption at the wall - for many tasks there is less than 100 watt difference at the wall for the 14700K.

 

[jigger]

Zen was a big moment for AMD, but the per core performance of 1000/2000 CPUs wasn't much to write home about. It's easy with hindsight to say a better platform, but a lot of those B350/X370 boards at launch were pants.
If anything, the most interesting parts for those CPUs, were Threadripper.

Are Intel in trouble now? Absolutely, but it's not been a decade.

Ryzen 1 and 2 derailed Intels HEDT/Workstation gravy train. Threadripper 1 and 2 made Intel rage quit the market. Pre Zen I was paying £200-300 per core! for very little IPC performance uplift and 2 extra cores if I was lucky. Zen put an end to that nonsense.

 

[jigger]

Not at the price point - the only chip which has a similar price and performance point is the 7900s but they have very inconsistent performance compared to the 8 core CCD AMD chips and the 14700K. The 7800X3D and 7700X are waaay behind for productivity workloads, the 7800X3D can beat it in gaming but not by a huge amount on average. The 7950 chips are a lot more expensive than the 14700s.

The 14700 chips currently start at just under £350 from a reputable retailer, the 7950X cheapest from somewhere reputable is £470, the X3D around £550.

The 14700K is getting more than touched by AMD’s last gen’s. You have many system options that will murder a 14700k build in multi core for similar money. A discounted Lenovo TR system for example.

 

[Rroff]

The 14700K is getting more than touched by AMD’s last gen’s. You have many system options that will murder a 14700k build in multi core for similar money. A discounted Lenovo TR system for example.

But they won't touch it for gaming... same as the 7800X3D might best it for gaming but can't touch it for productivity work... (Also you are then looking at an ageing AMD platform probably on Zen 2 to get it into the system price range, maybe a 5000 series chip but still going to be an older platform, system power consumption similar to or even higher than the 14700K and way behind it for gaming).

 

[Emlyn_Dewar]

Ryzen 1 and 2 derailed Intels HEDT/Workstation gravy train. Threadripper 1 and 2 made Intel rage quit the market. Pre Zen I was paying £200-300 per core! for very little IPC performance uplift and 2 extra cores if I was lucky. Zen put an end to that nonsense.

But it hasn't been a decade. The first threadripper was even a good bit after Zen's initial launch.
I just wish both companies weren't so stingy with PCIe lanes on their normal consumer parts.