This issue hasn’t affected Intel sales yet. With or without considering this particular issue and its implications Intel simply have no answer to Zen.
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Intel has a Pretty Big Problem..
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This issue hasn’t affected Intel sales yet. With or without considering this particular issue and its implications Intel simply have no answer to Zen.
Don't you have anything better to do than puerile junk posting?
Hmm, boiled VRM's? Is that with butter and black pepper?
Real world in what way? despite how it appears here this whole fiasco isn't making much traction in the general consumer market, loads of people still buying Intel, not a lot of people seeing their 13th or 14th gen CPUs dying despite some posts on tech forums and 1-2 companies claims.
Get a grip.
Do grow up.
Caporegime
And some paprika...
Use more power, require a stronger cooler?
Except maybe the 14900s most people are using the same cases, PSUs, cooling, etc. AMD or Intel, only really the 14900s people are spending out on crazy cooling. 13th and 14th gen below the 14900s will run OK on stuff like the £30 Thermalright Peerless Assassin and whole system power use isn't that much different as to really change the PSU requirement - 14600K vs 7700X in application usage is like 13-15 watt more.
Caporegime
With reduced performance....
THEY KNOW the product IS faulty.
As per my reply above aside from the 14900K generally not that significant - even the 14700K does OK on a £30 Thermalright Peerless Assassin though it is pretty borderline unless using Intel "default" power settings. The power usage isn't that dramatically different for the whole system that it makes a huge difference - people generally overspec the PSU a bit anyhow - if on a keen budget it might give a bit more wiggle room on the AMD side at the 14700 level, less so below that.
Caporegime
You just know this is Intel's dilution and how they justify it... "this is fine"
I'm not really sure what your point is.
We've no clarity right now how broken the product is, with the shadow hanging over it you can't really put a price value on that other than worthless. But in the real world contrary to the picture some are getting most consumers aren't seeing their 13th or 14th gen systems dying like flies and if it comes to that then they simply need removing from sale so overpriced doesn't really come into it.
Anything else is an aside to that - if talking about AMD undercutting them on all fronts that is only relevant if comparing them after proceeding beyond this current issue hanging over Intel.
Even with full performance a suitable case and PSU Intel still have the inferior offerings.
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Caporegime
They aren't as good, all i see to counter that argument is if and but and more if' but.... there is no if and but with AMD's CPU's, none. they do the job, they do it very well without adding if and but to your equation. If you have to defend it then you've lost the argument.
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Caporegime
Look its the same for AMD on the GPU side.
They are great GPU's, yeah but are they? But DLSS, But Ray Tracing....
You've lost., there is no but with Nvidia. They just do the job and do it well, it requires no thought. Its why AMD can't sell them.
They are great GPU's, yeah but are they? But DLSS, But Ray Tracing....
You've lost., there is no but with Nvidia. They just do the job and do it well, it requires no thought. Its why AMD can't sell them.
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Of course the whole system power isn't dramatically different, it's the whole system. And how about higher external heat dissipation requirement? Plus dissipate from case.
And the PSU angle is clutching at straws.