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Intel has a Pretty Big Problem..

0121danwilliams84 said:
I have been monitoring voltages on my 14900KS since the 0x129 bios and VCore Latch Max goes to around 1.55V on the new and previous bios on the Asus Apex Encore. I set an IA VR Limit (like buildzoid recommended) of 1.5V in the bios and that keeps the same reading around 1.5V. Normal Vcore not going over 1.45V and vid under 1.5V. Thinking Asus may have tried to cap voltages since the previous bios's.
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Or possibly capped the current usage too.
 
Rroff said:
Bit frustrating there is no comprehensive news on this yet let alone from Intel themselves.

On other forums there have been people trying to replicate the failures with nothing to report so far and the odd shop saying they've not seen any significant changes to returns since the 12th series, etc.
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It's making a decision on an RMA a bit annoying that's for sure. Don't want to suffer pulling my chip out and being without my machine for however many working days if no-one even has a clue what microcode/bios/motherboard to test it under, what is considered a pass or a fail, etc.
 
Be curious to see if Win8 takes longer to run the shader compile because it can't make full use of modern CPUs. If it takes longer to compile on Win8 then it's simply not crashing because the cpu is not pushed as hard
 
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humbug said:
Except AMD aren't having issues, Win 8 is quite old, 12 years old, that's more likely something to do with it, its not set up for modern CPU's.
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There have been videos of Windows issues causing Zen 5 issues too. That was my point.

I know Win8 isn't usable as a daily runner but if it can run these cpus fully without crashing it makes me think it might be an OS issue.

This isn't really based on a huge amount and am speculating rather than stating though.
 
RavenXXX2 said:
Surprised so many streamers rock intel and not AMD, might be time they went team red for a smooth issue free stream.
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Watched a streamer update his BIOS live on Twitch yesterday (uses a stream PC), good job he had chat to help him out lol

Reason he did this was Black Myth: Wukong wouldnt even load up for him, got it running after the update.

Also its a no brainer for streamers to use Ryzen these days with most using NVENC for encoding, i see a few now using 7950X3D's, im sure summit uses one of these too.
 
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MyBrainz said:
Watched a streamer update his BIOS live on Twitch yesterday (uses a stream PC), good job he had chat to help him out lol

Reason he did this was Black Myth: Wukong wouldnt even load up for him, got it running after the update.

Also its a no brainer for streamers to use Ryzen these days with most using NVENC for encoding, i see a few now using 7950X3D's, im sure summit uses one of these too.
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Latest incarnation of NVENC changes things up a bit but there are still situations where people will want or need to be using software, though if you get really into it you are better off using external capture and a dedicated streaming machine anyhow which changes things up again.

It gets pretty complicated as both single thread, core count, latency and bandwidth have an impact on streaming performance and also an important factor is whether someone is just doing basic streaming or more advanced stuff mixing in multiple sources and/or effects, etc. etc.

The 7950X3D has some disadvantages in that any non-trivial streaming you will have to mess about a bit to make sure it isn't messing up game utilisation of the 3D cache, the 7950X has lower gaming performance vs some of the Intel options, the 7800X3D is a bit lacking on the core count side if doing anything non-trivial streaming wise. The 9000 series so far don't really change that up. Generally the Intel options are just better.
 
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Rroff said:
Latest incarnation of NVENC changes things up a bit but there are still situations where people will want or need to be using software, though if you get really into it you are better off using external capture and a dedicated streaming machine anyhow which changes things up again.

It gets pretty complicated as both single thread, core count, latency and bandwidth have an impact on streaming performance and also an important factor is whether someone is just doing basic streaming or more advanced stuff mixing in multiple sources and/or effects, etc. etc.

The 7950X3D has some disadvantages in that any non-trivial streaming you will have to mess about a bit to make sure it isn't messing up game utilisation of the 3D cache, the 7950X has lower gaming performance vs some of the Intel options, the 7800X3D is a bit lacking on the core count side if doing anything non-trivial streaming wise. The 9000 series so far don't really change that up. Generally the Intel options are just better.
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You're talking in to the ether. Almost no one who has no need for hardware consultants agrees with this.

If you're looking for a gaming CPU you're not interested in Puget Systems benchmarks, you just want the best gaming CPU, that's the 7800X3D.
So, if you are looking at Puget Systems benchmarks what you will find is the 7950X is actually faster than the 14900K, all be it marginally, and at about 100 watts less power consumption.
 
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Rroff said:
Latest incarnation of NVENC changes things up a bit but there are still situations where people will want or need to be using software, though if you get really into it you are better off using external capture and a dedicated streaming machine anyhow which changes things up again.

It gets pretty complicated as both single thread, core count, latency and bandwidth have an impact on streaming performance and also an important factor is whether someone is just doing basic streaming or more advanced stuff mixing in multiple sources and/or effects, etc. etc.

The 7950X3D has some disadvantages in that any non-trivial streaming you will have to mess about a bit to make sure it isn't messing up game utilisation of the 3D cache, the 7950X has lower gaming performance vs some of the Intel options, the 7800X3D is a bit lacking on the core count side if doing anything non-trivial streaming wise. The 9000 series so far don't really change that up. Generally the Intel options are just better.
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Setting up a streaming PC is one, if not the biggest ball ache for a streamer and it isnt the actual streaming of the video game, its the audio thats the main problem of getting right along with setting up microphone. Then there is using more electric with another PC. Windows updates like to break things too. These days just buy a 4080/4090 for a single PC setup.. I can stream 1440p upscaled to Youtube with my 3060Ti with 25MB bitrate and it looks great.

I know x264 can look damn good too but the majority of 2 PC setup streamers are still using NVENC on the stream PC which to me just says they're still doing it wrong. I'd be using at least a 5950X in that thing with x264.

With AV1/HEVC already on YT and coming to Twitch soon, single PC setup is the way to go for the majority of streamers. those needing a stream PC should be for a more pro streamer that do way more than just stream a game. I'm talking creating Youtube content from their Twitch stream without all the alerts, sponsor logo's etc all over it.

Its so easy to just stream these days, I've tested doing Twitch (1080p) Youtube (1440p) and Kick (1080p) all at the same time on my sig setup.. it works fine.

Perfect setup for an average streamer should be any 8 Core+ Ryzen X3D with at least a 4070Ti GPU and they're good to go.
 
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