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Intel has a Pretty Big Problem..
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I'm leery of Level 1 Techs on this, I'm just not seeing what they are talking about reflected elsewhere, even with people doing the same kind of thing with a lot of systems and/or those they've reported on have unluckily got entire batches affected which isn't represented in general. If the problem was as big as they are making out retailers like OcUK would have stopped selling them by now.
On a related note interesting that Gamers Nexus has had a lot of people emailing them about these failures, including on CPUs Intel claim aren't affected, but they are having issues with replicating it and where they've acquired CPUs or systems with these CPUs the CPU is often so dead, or completely dead, they can't reliably identify what the failure is. Personally think a lot of that is noise from people who are just labelling any issue, including user error, as this CPU problem(s).
On a related note interesting that Gamers Nexus has had a lot of people emailing them about these failures, including on CPUs Intel claim aren't affected, but they are having issues with replicating it and where they've acquired CPUs or systems with these CPUs the CPU is often so dead, or completely dead, they can't reliably identify what the failure is. Personally think a lot of that is noise from people who are just labelling any issue, including user error, as this CPU problem(s).
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I’m not TBH. Hastily cobbling together two very different CPUs onto a single package (one of which was resurrected from the dead) and pushing both well outside of their design annd operating parameters was never a sensible strategy. Many of us predicted Intel’s strategy would end in failure and the big+little design should never have been seen as anything more than a means to an end.
Intel seem to have managed to convinced themselves that using one chip to offset the horrendous weaknesses of the other has somehow resolved Intels architectural issues.
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Intel says its Raptor Lake crashing chip nightmare is over
Warranty, mitigations, and a root cause diganosis.
www.theverge.com
The too-high voltage issue was the root cause, Intel now confirms.
“Yes, we’re confirming this is the cause and that it is fixed,” Intel spokesperson Thomas Hannaford tells The Verge.
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Intel says its Raptor Lake crashing chip nightmare is over
Warranty, mitigations, and a root cause diganosis.
The too-high voltage issue was the root cause, Intel now confirms.
“Yes, we’re confirming this is the cause and that it is fixed,” Intel spokesperson Thomas Hannaford tells The Verge.
Something which hasn't really been addressed as well, some of these chips are exhibiting the problem right out the box, others are degrading over varying time periods. The talked about conditions doesn't entirely make sense in covering both scenarios or we'd be seeing forums full of people having these CPUs dying.
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Enough people complained to Nvidia about their GPU exhibiting "out of video memory" errors for them to publicly throw Intel under the bus.
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Something that needs to be addressed is all reviews done before the latest microcode update are essentially null and void. It appears that the update has reduced performance from what I have read on some forums where people have done the update. Anyone buying one of the affected cpu's based on previous reviews is going to be badly dissappointed when they don't see the performance they were promised. The whole lot needs to be redone as do the AMD 9000 series now that the problems have been fixed.
With the latest fix unless the chip actually needs the excess voltage, which most shouldn't, there shouldn't be any real performance impact additional to the power limit changes. Some sites like TPU have normally benchmarked the CPUs with "stock" and unlimited power limit profiles so should have results reasonably close to the performance with these fixes.
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Biggest difference is under extreme multi-threaded loads and mostly only really stuff like CineBench R23. Most games don't push the CPU enough to encounter the limits.
Unless Intel have Harry Potter on the pay role a 5.6ghz core will beat a 5.2ghz every time. Worse than that the performance impact will scale substantially as core count is increased. On top of both, Intel moving to an ‘opportunistic’ boost clock may well see some peoples performance drop into the double digit percentages while still suffering continuing degradation.
I feel it’s time for some people to accept the reality of the situation. These chips are fundamentally broken and Intel has failed.
I feel it’s time for some people to accept the reality of the situation. These chips are fundamentally broken and Intel has failed.
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Mine isn't broken and millions of others probably also. Performance now is the same as before.
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Mines so broken that it's worked flawlessly the whole time I've had it.
Mines been running like a dream since day one, no excessive voltage, but I have also been running a manual negative voltage offset since day 1, pretty much...
So for me, I'm not going to update my bios just yet... i'll wait for a rainey day when i'm bored!
So for me, I'm not going to update my bios just yet... i'll wait for a rainey day when i'm bored!
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I’ve got a 14700k and I’m not sure if I should update the bios. It ran hot to begin with but I haven’t had any crashes or instability with it. Since setting the power limits to 180w, temps have been fine, voltage goes up to about 1.45v but I haven’t seen it go higher.
I'd say 1.45v is a tiny bit high for a daily drive...but not 'crazy'.
1.3x peak voltage is totally fine, but once you are over 1.40...it's a little high, *in my opinion*.
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Intel recommends you update and they're supposed to help protect your CPU in the longer-term, which we don't know the precise details of how/why, so yes, I would do the update if I were you.
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Same, running the 13900k with a 0.075 negative offset, voltage never goes above 1.32 when on full load.
I think the highest I've seen mine go is 1.375v or thereabouts... but it's only got that high when running benchmarks and battering the hell out of it... it never gets that high when gaming, which is the most demanding thing I do on a day-to-day basis.
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