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Temps are 50s-60s with AIO cooler in gaming, Pushes into 80 on cinebench but that's as high as I've seen it. Made a huge difference over stock settings anyway.
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Intel has a Pretty Big Problem..
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Fair enough, I'll probably wait for the next bios update though, as the current ones a beta and its apparently causing problems for some people.
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Yeah, it makes sense to wait until the BIOS update includes all of the fixes and is a stable release
That was final release from intel, there will not be anymore fixes, was confirmed earlier.
Intel confirms 13th/14th Gen Core instability has been fixed, no more updates
Intel confirms 13th/14th Gen Core instability has been fixed, no more updates
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So not flawlessly at all then.
Lower better but ~1.38-1.43 peak is quite usual on the 14700K, so far it seems to be the ones that under some circumstances are hitting 1.5+v that are dying, so far.
Apparently if you are rinsing the chip 24x7 you want to keep it at 1.4 max, ~300A, ~280 watt, for mixed use a little higher is OK.
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No crashes or issues under any settings since purchased, so yes, flawlessly.
I get it, Intel makes the salt flow for you.
You really don’t get anything at all.
Not saying there aren't problems there but I'm starting to think a lot of this has been blown up by maybe disgruntled ex-Intel staff with recent lay-offs, I've been following this for awhile and really struggling to find evidence of anything other than a tiny number of edge case failures when you actually drill into it even in the higher profile cases like where nVidia had to put out a statement or the RAD Tools report. The information about quite specific failure mechanisms which are unlikely to be known by anyone outside of Intel, like the oxidisation issue, appeared ahead of any reports of crashing of any significance.
The only reports of mass failures like Level 1 Techs have talked about are impossible to verify and not reproduced anywhere else by people doing similar things (i.e. Alderon Games talked of near 100% failure rates but no one else doing the same kind of game development using the same tools and similar hardware is experiencing it - there are some indie game devs using Unreal Engine who are seeing it affecting their customers but it is like 0.8% kind of thing).
Pretty much every 13th or 14th gen system I've direct experience of from friends and family, etc. have just run flawlessly aside from maybe a bit of messing about initially with RAM settings or compatibility, etc.
I've some limited insight from behind the scenes related to some bigger companies in this field like Zoostorm and VIP Computers and there is no evidence there of failures of any significance - I've seen some 13th and 14th gen CPUs exhibiting unusual voltage behaviour for myself which is probably consistent with the vmin shift problem but that is a tiny number of CPUs and I find it odd that OcUK wouldn't have come out and said something by now if they were seeing any unusual level of impact from it.
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I know a few people who've had to lower the clocks on their 13900 and 14900s here. They don't want to bother with warranty yet, as they're worried about a huge wait for replacement. It's not been blown out of proportion, and just imagine how much worse it would be if the extreme negative PR hadn't forced Intel's hand. They'd have happily just kept this quiet if no-one had noticed...
It's a shame that motherboard vendors weren't also raked over the coals for it, as some played their part.
I don't know why OcUK would make any sort of comment on it, as they still want to sell these things. Statements about stability issues would hurt sales (more than they already have been).
I wouldn't have any issues with buying a 13th/14th gen, now that they've identified the cause of the comical voltages. It's just sad that it got to this stage.
It's a shame that motherboard vendors weren't also raked over the coals for it, as some played their part.
I don't know why OcUK would make any sort of comment on it, as they still want to sell these things. Statements about stability issues would hurt sales (more than they already have been).
I wouldn't have any issues with buying a 13th/14th gen, now that they've identified the cause of the comical voltages. It's just sad that it got to this stage.
Agreed the negative PR has pushed Intel to do something but the way this is often talked about is as if there are mass failures everywhere which just isn't happening - if it was those kind of proportions of failure it would be more hassle than the sales are worth for companies like OcUK.
There is probably a bit more impact with overclocked 13900s and 14900s on motherboard enhancements which chuck a lot of volts at the chips resulting in significantly elevated peak voltages - where almost 1.7v even has been seen on some setups.
Maybe you aren’t aware of the history of the issues, but your posts come across as damage control 2 years too late. Intels parts have been unexplainably dying for some time. What I find odd is why anyone with ‘behind the scenes insight’ could possibly be surprised that companies like OcUK would go on the record and criticise a company like Intel or dare withdraw from a potential contract with them. Possibly you’re really behind the scenes, but not even the Dells of world take that chance. Intel spank hard and don’t care too much of dissent, allegedly.
People first assumed it was certain motherboards/VRM issues. Intel was pushing the lower quality binned chips to higher end parts to make up a deficit in production, others that Intel was forced pump 250 watts through to look half competent. People then linked the issues to water cooling being required. After that it was CPU frames and motherboard brackets. Even fake support circuitry components entering the supply chain because of the covid silicon shortage was looked at a possibility. All the while Intel kept silent until the finger eventually got pointed in their direction.
I'm contrasting this with the claimed failure levels - there is only so far smaller, even OcUK size, retailers would suck it up if the problem was the kind of scale talked about and they don't tend to have the same kind of contract as say Dell. On that note Dell put out a generic statement - you can follow that up to look at customers reporting the issues on related forums and unofficial support like Reddit - it is a tiny number who've actually bothered posting online and half of those aren't talking about symptoms consistent with these issues.
I'm not saying these problems aren't happening, I'm talking about how this became some thing like people are seeing these CPUs dropping like flies everywhere which isn't backed up by evidence - on these forums for example there has been like 1 maybe 2 people posting that they are affected despite a large owner base.
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My 14700k has been great since day one, then again I'm guessing that they have not had the same potential for the reported issues against that of the 14900x.
Mine has always been power limited, from the motherboards previous default of unlimited power draw .
I also run with an undervolt to the vcore.
That would, I guess, only go so far and not prevent any demanded "spike" voltages requested. Not noted any, if they would show up when monitoring.
So, when Gigabyte finally get round to releasing another BIOS update with this latest fix I'll flash that to my Z690 board.
Hopefully that'll continue with the great stability etc, that has been there from the start.
Mine has always been power limited, from the motherboards previous default of unlimited power draw .
I also run with an undervolt to the vcore.
That would, I guess, only go so far and not prevent any demanded "spike" voltages requested. Not noted any, if they would show up when monitoring.
So, when Gigabyte finally get round to releasing another BIOS update with this latest fix I'll flash that to my Z690 board.
Hopefully that'll continue with the great stability etc, that has been there from the start.
I've not seen any clarity on this, the algorithm itself seems to be faulty but so far seems like either CPUs are exhibiting this behaviour or not, but no harm being cautious with it. I did have 4 core 6GHz boost on mine with slightly higher voltage but backed that off for now.
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I have not been following this too closely, so I could be wrong here.....
Perhaps Nvidia might have done Intel / MB manufacturers a favour, well at least the end user, in the sense that at least I was aware that running with the defaults at the start of using an AL CPU was not going to be a good thing. Unlimited power draw and high vcore voltages just did not seem appropriate....
For those with less understanding, that had the potential to be damaging.
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I thinks it’s your opinion thats contrasting TBH. Intel has some serious issues to deal with.
Intels issues have almost become a running joke within the industry and as I’ve said previously said it’s no secret people have noticed a significant failure rate, but talking about it Intel is almost impossible and talking about in public is no no. People are very wary of upsetting Intel and that’s for good reason.
Even if unwillingly, Intel are at least now heading in the right direction. I know at least some of Intels large customers had come to point of operating a loss leading strategy and felt enough was enough.
I have no idea what contract the shop is under as it’s non of my business and would say anything if it was. I know Intels sales are in the toilet relatively speaking, but I would be amazed if suppliers and retailers have the same terms as the likes of Dell.
In the latest update where Intel described the situations that the problem can occur (the list of 4, I mean), it would appear that it can happen (the effective overvolting of the CPU) in any circumstances, with any CPU, even when the CPU is at idle or very light load, so I would assume that someone running custom settings is not immune to all 4 scenarios, but they might have mitigated their exposure to 1 or more of those, to some degree.
Yes some serious issues, but at least so far there is not the evidence of CPUs dying like flies that some would have people believe and in some ways the story has taken a life of.
Outside of some very specific examples from Level 1 Techs and Alderon Games there is no evidence of serious failure rates - RAD Tools who were one of the first to notice something was amiss and have quite a bit of exposure to it due to the nature of their software and business report it as affecting a small number of users, even in places like the Asus forums where there are a few reports it is still a very small number compared to their active enthusiast userbase, other Unreal Engine developers are seeing it but again reporting very low numbers of customers affected.
No. if anything the issues are actually worse.