Intel has a Pretty Big Problem..

[cebri]

What does it say in Anandtechs picture that was taken from INTEL's roadmap ?

https://images.anandtech.com/doci/20061/Old_Lunar_Lake_Roadmap.jpg

Lunar lake & BEYOND
EXTERNAL & 18A

If not by that same reasoning, that slide it means that MTL is going to be on 20A. Fun fact, there are arrow lake skus (MTL refresh) on Intel 3 and it’s not mentioned.

By the way, the fact that for MTL + Arrow Lake already mention N3. That’s how much set in stone it was even back then.

 

[AthlonXP1800]

In what world Lunar Lake was going to be on 18A? 18A was never going to be used for any current processors. You should really check your facts.

In addition, 20A was never going to be a high volume node, it was a de-risk node to prepare 18A. It was never going to be able to meet ARL demand.

You should really check your facts.

Intel 15th Gen CPUs will Use the 20A Process & Lunar Lake on 18A: TSMC 3nm for iGPUs | Hardware Times

Like Meteor Lake, Arrow, and Lunar Lake CPUs will be 3D stacked on top of the base tile using Foveros packaging technology

hardwaretimes.com

Intel Demos Lunar Lake Client Processor In Action, Silicon Pulled In To Intel 20A?

www.anandtech.com

Former Intel CEO Pat Gelsinger was very excited showcased Lunar Lake CPU based on Intel 18A up and running on laptop at Intel Innovation 2023 conference back on 19 September 2023. He confirmed both 20A and 18A was on track for risk productions in Q1 2024 and volume productions in second half of 2024 for both Arrow Lake on 20A and Lunar Lake on 18A.

Pat Gelsinger said on his twitter smaller dies will have high yield. Lunar Lake die size on TSMC N3B was 140mm2, on Intel 18A it could be around 100mm2 supposed to be at high yield so something gone wrong with 18A caused switched it to TSMC N3B.

Computercity author probably wrote article weeks ago before Lunar Lake announcement in September 2024, unaware Lunar Lake compute tile was switched to TSMC N3B instead.

Intel Lunar Lake Next-Gen Mobile Processors Have Arrived - ComputerCity

Intel officially launched its latest mobile processor, Lunar Lake, on September 3rd, 2024. Some laptop models will launch later in September, but many

computercity.com

Edit: Intel confirmed back in January 2023 Lunar Lake CPUs will be on Intel 18A process targeted at 15W TDP, it seemed Intel 18A with smaller die size and lower TDP was superior to TSMC N3B large die size and 17W-30W TDP.

Intel confirms Lunar Lake features an entirely new architecture for low-power mobile devices - VideoCardz.com

Intel Lunar Lake is a new architecture designed for low-power mobile devices. The company is to disclose more details later this month. Officially Lunar Lake is to feature Foveros packaging technology, and it should be based on Intel 18A node. Intel is not confirming the release date, apart...

videocardz.com

At Intel Investor Meeting on 17 February 2022, Pat keynote confirmed Intel 20A will be volume production ready in H1 2024 for Arrow Lake and Intel 18A will be volume production ready in H2 2024 for Lunar Lake.

https://download.intel.com/newsroom/2022/corporate/2022-Intel-Investor-Meeting-CEO.pdf

 

[AthlonXP1800]

TSMC's Founder Slams Intel's Business Strategy, Says That They Shouldn't Have Entered The Chip Business

Intel shouldn't have entered the chipmaking business, says TSMC's founder, claiming that Team Blue would be much better with AI.

wccftech.com

TSMC founder said Intel shouldn't have entered the chipmaking business. I think Intel shouldn't have entered the chipmaking business 15 years ago, Intel should followed same example AMD did when AMD gone fabless separated fabs to formed company GlobalFoundries in 2009.

 

[AthlonXP1800]

Intel's Former CEO Pat Gelsinger Was Against The Company Splitting Up Even Back In 2022, Said Directors Should Hire a "PE Guy" For Such A Decision

Intel's former CEO was against a business split-up from the very start, as evident by a statement given in an interview two years ago.

wccftech.com

Wow Pat Gelsinger was against Intel plan to go fabless back in 2022.

I guess I know why Pat resigned because his masterplan with 20A, 18A and 14A, RibbonFET and PowerVIA technologies all ended up in smoke.

Sadly I think we probably will never see Panther Lake and Nova Lake CPUs used Intel RibbonFET and PowerVIA technolgies in light of day as Intel probably will plan to go completely fabless switch all designs to TSMC.

 

[cebri]

You should really check your facts.

Intel 15th Gen CPUs will Use the 20A Process & Lunar Lake on 18A: TSMC 3nm for iGPUs | Hardware Times

Like Meteor Lake, Arrow, and Lunar Lake CPUs will be 3D stacked on top of the base tile using Foveros packaging technology

hardwaretimes.com

Intel Demos Lunar Lake Client Processor In Action, Silicon Pulled In To Intel 20A?

www.anandtech.com

Former Intel CEO Pat Gelsinger was very excited showcased Lunar Lake CPU based on Intel 18A up and running on laptop at Intel Innovation 2023 conference back on 19 September 2023. He confirmed both 20A and 18A was on track for risk productions in Q1 2024 and volume productions in second half of 2024 for both Arrow Lake on 20A and Lunar Lake on 18A.

Pat Gelsinger said on his twitter smaller dies will have high yield. Lunar Lake die size on TSMC N3B was 140mm2, on Intel 18A it could be around 100mm2 supposed to be at high yield so something gone wrong with 18A caused switched it to TSMC N3B.

Computercity author probably wrote article weeks ago before Lunar Lake announcement in September 2024, unaware Lunar Lake compute tile was switched to TSMC N3B instead.

Intel Lunar Lake Next-Gen Mobile Processors Have Arrived - ComputerCity

Intel officially launched its latest mobile processor, Lunar Lake, on September 3rd, 2024. Some laptop models will launch later in September, but many

computercity.com

Edit: Intel confirmed back in January 2023 Lunar Lake CPUs will be on Intel 18A process targeted at 15W TDP, it seemed Intel 18A with smaller die size and lower TDP was superior to TSMC N3B large die size and 17W-30W TDP.

Intel confirms Lunar Lake features an entirely new architecture for low-power mobile devices - VideoCardz.com

Intel Lunar Lake is a new architecture designed for low-power mobile devices. The company is to disclose more details later this month. Officially Lunar Lake is to feature Foveros packaging technology, and it should be based on Intel 18A node. Intel is not confirming the release date, apart...

videocardz.com

At Intel Investor Meeting on 17 February 2022, Pat keynote confirmed Intel 20A will be volume production ready in H1 2024 for Arrow Lake and Intel 18A will be volume production ready in H2 2024 for Lunar Lake.

https://download.intel.com/newsroom/2022/corporate/2022-Intel-Investor-Meeting-CEO.pdf

You don’t even read the articles, do you?

Intel Demos Lunar Lake Client Processor In Action, Silicon Pulled In To Intel 20A?

www.anandtech.com

And what they mean by “listed” is related to the slide I wrote about in my previous post. The rest of the articles (about LNL on 18A) do not cite official sources.