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I may just see if i can source a better 4770k than the one in sig.
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Intel Haswell Refresh Processors Codenamed Devil’s Canyon – Launching in Mid 2014 With Unlocked Desi
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Is Broadwell going to remain at 4 cores, does anyone know?
They are not only aimed at OEM, all the Intel CPUs for socket 1156, 1155, and 1150 are practically mobile chips disguised in desktop package. This is the main reason Ivy and Haswell are not soldered to the IHS as well, they just can't be bothered. I hope Devil's Canyon addresses this appropriately as promised by Intel but I do not think anyone will be that keen on upgrading except the hardcore enthusiasts and the people with older machines. If 90% of the chips go past 5GHz on air with ease though, this might change.
Well there's definitely some non-OEM market for the built in GPU. I have 3 monitors and a cintiq; nice to be able to hang one of them off the onboard. Admittedly it's a minority use case, but it exists
Soldato
There are no documents anywhere that state it will or wont run on Z87 or they are for Z97 only, after all they are still 4th Gen chips.
Im not surprised Intel are keeping tight lipped on them, I would do the same if id just released a new chipset, otherwise how else are they going to sell them, it would be pretty stupid of intel to say, "yeah dont bother buying our new Z97 boards" if they run on Z87, they want everyone to rush out and buy there new boards, its how we all make money.
No one will truly know if they work on Z87 until they are released, then Intel will laughing if they do, at all the people that panicked and went out and brought Z97 just to be on the safe side, there response will be "well we never said it wouldnt work on Z87, it wouldnt be a Haswell chip if it didnt work".
From what ive read, the pin layout should be exactly the same, after all, our current 4770k's work on Z97 and Z87, so there cant be any pin change.
Im not surprised Intel are keeping tight lipped on them, I would do the same if id just released a new chipset, otherwise how else are they going to sell them, it would be pretty stupid of intel to say, "yeah dont bother buying our new Z97 boards" if they run on Z87, they want everyone to rush out and buy there new boards, its how we all make money.
No one will truly know if they work on Z87 until they are released, then Intel will laughing if they do, at all the people that panicked and went out and brought Z97 just to be on the safe side, there response will be "well we never said it wouldnt work on Z87, it wouldnt be a Haswell chip if it didnt work".
From what ive read, the pin layout should be exactly the same, after all, our current 4770k's work on Z97 and Z87, so there cant be any pin change.
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Caporegime
ive heard from a good source that the k (devils canyon) will only run on z97 chipset,all other chips will run fine on both z97/87
ill still sit on the fence in the meantime though
ill still sit on the fence in the meantime though
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None !! Lets see 7g benching!!
Caporegime
Meh. Can we have a K series Core i3 and re-enabling of overclocking on the B85 series motherboards too.
Caporegime
I miss the i3 overclocking,those were fun to oc
no cheap entry overclocking from intel now
all we get promised is a Pentium anniversary edition
no cheap entry overclocking from intel now
all we get promised is a Pentium anniversary edition
Caporegime
I suspect the Pentium G3258(which is the actual name for the "unlocked" Pentium),is going to be Core i3 money anyway,plus Intel removed the loophole from B85 motherboards,meaning you need to get a more expensive Z series motherboard and an aftermarket cooler,as the Intel stock ones are getting smaller and smaller.
Yay,we can have an overclocked two thread CPU. You might as well buy a cheaper motherboard,use the stock cooler and get a low end Core i5.
Looking at how the newer engines are going,especially the noise I am hearing about UE4,I am not sure the in two years time whether that Pentium is going to be any good.
Yet,with socket 1156 we had £80 4 thread Core i3 CPUs with £55 overclocking motherboards hitting huge overclocks,unlockable Athlon II X3s on £50 motherboards. It was awesome time for more budget gamers.
Now we have probably an £80 dual core CPU without HT with a £60 to £70 motherboard(unless we need a Z97 one). Progress is great!!!
A K series Core i3 at least has 4 available threads,and will have some legs on it in newer games as time progresses.
Unless that Pentium is like under £70 and there is a sub £60 motherboard which you can overclock,a big meh still.
Yay,we can have an overclocked two thread CPU. You might as well buy a cheaper motherboard,use the stock cooler and get a low end Core i5.
Looking at how the newer engines are going,especially the noise I am hearing about UE4,I am not sure the in two years time whether that Pentium is going to be any good.
Yet,with socket 1156 we had £80 4 thread Core i3 CPUs with £55 overclocking motherboards hitting huge overclocks,unlockable Athlon II X3s on £50 motherboards. It was awesome time for more budget gamers.
Now we have probably an £80 dual core CPU without HT with a £60 to £70 motherboard(unless we need a Z97 one). Progress is great!!!
A K series Core i3 at least has 4 available threads,and will have some legs on it in newer games as time progresses.
Unless that Pentium is like under £70 and there is a sub £60 motherboard which you can overclock,a big meh still.
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when did they remove the loophole from b85? far as I know b85/h81/87 allow oc of k chips
only due to a blunder
far as I know they can only block it through a bios update that's down to board makers to implement or not
only due to a blunder
far as I know they can only block it through a bios update that's down to board makers to implement or not
Soldato
Caporegime
They upgraded the microcode on the CPUs:
http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardware/2013/07/25/intel-overclocking-block/1
Unless a Z series chipset is detected the CPU won't be overclockable.
Any new motherboards and CPUs in the last six months have overclocking limited to Z series motherboards.
It is a crummy move as most of the voltage regulation is now in the CPU too.
Its totally artificial but expected.
Intel needs to make as much money in the desktop and server market,to fund the contra revenue with Bay Trail.
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Be nice to see these chips clock north of 5ghz for water etc
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I cant even hear a word they are saying on that video, its all muffled, but im keeping my hopes up, at the end of the day, no one but Intel has a 4790k or the i5 counter-part, so no one, including Asus or Gigabyte engineers etc know......despite what they may say, again of course, they want to promote there new boards.
I just cant believe for one moment that they are replacing the 4770k with the 4790k and not making it availble to Z87 users, that means Z87 users will have no "K" chips available to them, rendering Z87 pretty much useless, like I said before, hell.......you can still buy K series chips for 1155 brand new from OCuk, yet they are going to leave a newer chipset (Z87) without any ?, I dont think so somehow.
Thats like intel saying, sorry guys for making you waste £350 on a new Z87 Gaming and Overclocking motherboard, but our new chips arnt going to work on your board, and the old chips wont be available to buy anymore, may as well throw your old boards away as no one is going to want a board they cant get a decent chip for !!! ther would be uproar.
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Just adding my observations from the OP.
Bearing in mind at stock the 4790K will have a 4.4ghz TB feature out of the box, Can you really see these then topping out at 4.8ghz ?? I think there would be mayhem/outrage from a user perspective at a poor 400mhz OC potential. I originally would have thought the same 4.6-4.8ghz mark , but now its confirmed @ 4.4ghz , I would not be surprised if we see 5.2ghz on these ( with quality cooling of course )
With regards to board chipset, cant see it ever working on Z87 sad to say. Really would like it too , but when has Intel released a new chipset on said platform but enabled to previous generation to take advantage of it. They don't and it would take away some of the benefits of Z97 and many would not see the need for change. Well, sad to say now they will probably including myself.
Bearing in mind at stock the 4790K will have a 4.4ghz TB feature out of the box, Can you really see these then topping out at 4.8ghz ?? I think there would be mayhem/outrage from a user perspective at a poor 400mhz OC potential. I originally would have thought the same 4.6-4.8ghz mark , but now its confirmed @ 4.4ghz , I would not be surprised if we see 5.2ghz on these ( with quality cooling of course )
With regards to board chipset, cant see it ever working on Z87 sad to say. Really would like it too , but when has Intel released a new chipset on said platform but enabled to previous generation to take advantage of it. They don't and it would take away some of the benefits of Z97 and many would not see the need for change. Well, sad to say now they will probably including myself.
Caporegime
Personally im playing the waiting game. My current 4770k is pretty poor, if DC works on Z87 ill bung one into the board in sig. If not ill just sell both the board and cpu, go DC with a cheaper board, something like the ROG hero. Cant see the Z97 formula costing less than £250.00.
Soldato
Z97 will get 5th Gen Broadwell as well as the complete haswell range.